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Koch Brothers Behind Wisconsin Effort To Kill Public Unions

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  1. reflexblue

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    Hmm, nothing to see here, move along. :rolleyes:

    Koch Brothers Behind Wisconsin Effort To Kill Public Unions - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

    As the nation focuses on the efforts of Governor Scott Walker to take away collective bargaining rights from public employees in Wisconsin, new information is coming to light that reveals what is truly going on here.

    Koch-backed groups like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long taken a very antagonistic view toward public-sector unions. Several of these groups have urged the eradication of these unions. The Kochs also invited Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, an anti-union outfit, to a June 2010 confab in Aspen, Colorado;
     
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    The Koch Brothers are the new bogeymen, I guess.

    Cool story.

    Power Line - Who Are the Demons Here?
     
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    Good for the Koch brothers. Glad to see them backing a candidate who is willing to live up to his promises.

    Keep telling us who they donate to it will give me an idea of who to support. Sorry to see they are not donating to Heritage Foundation and Von Mises Institute in addition to the other fine think tanks they support.
     
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    NEW Boogey men?

    POWERLINE?

    anyway...I wonder what would happen if the billions spend by the Koch brothers, PACs, and Unions were spent on healthcare and schools?

    we'd probably not have any of these budget shortfalls.
     
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    The left wants to Alinsky the Koch Bros, they are big boys who can take care of themselves. As to more $$$ for schools, won't make any difference. The problem is not money.
     
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    Yeah, this is pure FUD.

    If you look at the link about campaign contributions you will that it is from Open Secrets. Is Open Secrets illegitimate if a right-wing blog links to them?

    Setting aside the state deficits, the federal deficit (over $1 trillion) dwarfs the total spent on political campaigns. Heck, it might even exceed the cumulative amount spent on every U.S. campaign since the founding.
     
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    Not sure its as small a contribution as you think. You need to include Lobbies, 527s, interest groups...etc.

    it sure as heck looks like a lot according to open secrets ... 3.4 billion by lobyists alone in 2010. all house and senate members put together for 2010 = 2 trillion

    thats a lot of scratch.

    Stats at a Glance | OpenSecrets


    Its funny how all these politicians complain about "Spending"
     
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    Do you mean 2 Billion? I dont' see any trillions on that site.

    Here are the previous six election cycles:
    Code:
    Cycle	 Total Cost of Election
    2008*    $5,285,680,883
    2006 	 $2,852,658,140
    2004*    $4,147,304,003
    2002 	 $2,181,682,066
    2000*    $3,082,340,937
    1998 	 $1,618,936,265
    
    http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/index.php

    $16 billion. You would need 60 times that to cover just the Federal deficit.
     
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    2 billion is correct from individuals and PACs.....I added totals and party #s...quick math isnt pretty. The stats also don't show national contributions to the DNC and RNC...this is strictly 2 billion for congress in 2010.

    I'm just wondering if all of these crapheads who tell me that government is the problem, and we need to reighn in spending, aren't spending too much, campaigning too long, or taking in too much money.

    2 billion/year is nothing to sneeze at.

    Visualizing One Billion Dollars. | WallStats.com The Art of Information
     
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    2 billion is correct from individuals and PACs.....I added totals and party #s...quick math isnt pretty. The stats also don't show national contributions to the DNC and RNC...this is strictly 2 billion for congress in 2010.

    I'm just wondering if all of these crapheads who tell me that government is the problem, and we need to reighn in spending, aren't spending too much, campaigning too long, or taking in too much money.

    2 billion/year is nothing to sneeze at.

    Visualizing One Billion Dollars. | WallStats.com The Art of Information

    http://www.wallstats.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/billion_iraq.jpg
     
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    If the government doling out trillions of $$$$ and wielding regulatory power and tax breaks due to our hideous tax system, then people wouldn't spending the $$$$ buying influence/protection/contracts from the government.

    Cut the funding simplify the tax code get the government out of business whenever possible presto no need to buy politicans.

    As long as there is the enormous government you love so much there will be money buying influence.
     
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    I can agree with SOME of that.

    Simplify the tax codes
    Cut funding

    But since your boys have been in power, they have done the exact opposite. Seems they like unregulated campaigns and not paying their dues.

    see citizens united, and Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes | Reuters

    PAY YOUR DUES!
     
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    Taxing corporations is silly, IMHO. They just pass the cost on to consumers or spend too much time, energy and lobbying trying to get out of them.

    We need a flat tax, pronto.
     
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    I agree we need a flat tax. For now, corporations DO pay taxes. If citizens united says that corporations are like citizens, then they should PAY THEIR DUES!!!!

    saw this just now and thought it was interesting. From Politico: White House denies eyeing Koch tax returns - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    A lawyer for Koch Industries yesterday leveled the explosive suggestion that the White House had been snooping in the company's tax returns, pointing to the transcript of a conference call in which a White House official refered to Koch as one of "a series of entities that pay no corporate income tax."
     
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    FDR agreed with the Koch bros....who'da thunk?
     
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    Hey ive been hearing about these two for over a year. Its about time their shenanigans came to light.
     
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    Found the original on Open Secrets:

    Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010 | OpenSecrets

    Interesting that 11 of that top 20 are unions (who happen to give overwhelmingly to Democrats). Only two of the top 20 lean Republican.

    Maybe the unions are behind all the hysteria about the Koch brothers...(who are #83 on the list, BTW).

    A lot of TARP recipients on that list too...I note that Bear Stearns (which was allowed to fail) is way down at 135. Guess they should have been more supportive.
     
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    So what do you think your going to get out of this whole thing if it works out the way you want it.
     

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