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  1. mgteich

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    Is Klecko quietly making this team as a backup pass-rusher? If Green was out, would you be OK with Klecko as his replacement? There is certainly a roster spot at 7th DL. The top six are all but set, and Thomas and Smith are Practice Squad material at this point.
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    He loses the numbers game. Look at the 7 spots (and that is the historical number for D-lineman the last few years):

    1. Seymour
    2. Warren
    3. Wilfork
    4. Green
    5. Wright
    6. Sullivan
    7. Hill/Klecko/Smith/Thomas

    On that 7th spot, Hill seems destined for IR or the waiver wire.

    Smith seems headed for the practice squad.

    Thomas has shown a bit more in the preseason, and has more upside than Klecko, who has been here for a few years and is what he is.

    The problem is, Klecko will almost certainly by grabbed by the NYJ, CLE, etc. Not sure what choice there is at this point, though.
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    I would hate to see Klecko Go..I keep hoping he will get his chance.
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    I see it the same way. But I think we'd lose Santonio Thomas too. I'm not a big believer if the idea that everyone is just waiting for Patriots castoffs, but a strong agile 3-4 DL with postion flexibility like Thomas gets taken.

    So it all comes down to who BB thinks would contribute more. I Like Thomas, but I think Klecko is the guy they'd choose to keep.
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    He's a backup to the backup? C'mon guys, as Yoko said "the dream is over".

    We play a 3-4. We need more pass rushers. In our defense they're called outside linebackers.
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    And yes, I do like Santonio Thomas more at this point.
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    Buh-bye, Danny!!!
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    As the boss say's the player makes a role for themselves. He's been trying for several years and is only semi effective as an inside pass rusher.

    We need to keep other players on the roster.
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    If I were trying to select who would be a better every down player, i'd take Thomas. However, since this slot will probably go to whoever can do more to help the team from week to week, i'd say Klecko. While he is pretty limited on the first two downs, he's an adept interior pass rusher, and BB seems to like using him on 3rd down. Also, Klecko adds a little in kick coverage and goal line FB. Thomas appears to do nothing beyond play and adequate DT. It is doubtful he'd ever be active on game day.

    This is no slight of Thomas - I like him and hope he sticks on our PS. Practically though, the guys that fill the last few roster spots need to carve out a niche with the team.

    JMO
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    Should we keep seven defensive linemen on the 53? If so, I would argue that Klecko would get more playing time that Thomas or Smith, who are just as well on the Practice Squad.

    Call Green a backup if you wish. He is paid $3.6M this year, and counts about the same against the cap. He is a crucial part of the DL rotation, hardly a backup.
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    Since he's still around, don't you mean "He's been successful for several years"...?
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    Actually, I don't think we have a spot for a player who only rushes the passer. Green can play all three line positions and be a situational pass rusher.

    We're awful thin at linebacker with McGinest gone, but I would think if we carry a situational pass rusher it would be a Mincey or other OLB that can also back up a position where we are weak.
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    I disagree. BB routinely carries one or two guys that almost exclusively cover punts and kickoffs. So why couldn't a guy like Klecko ,who does a few more things like play ST, rush the passer from NT/DE, and plays a decent goal line FB, find a role ?

    Which of the Pats OLBs (Colvin, Vrabel, Banta-Cain) would come out so that Mincey could be our pass rushing LB...?
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    When's the last time he played goalline fullback?

    I believe they started using an OL like Hochstein or Ashworth last season after Klecko wiffed on a couple blocks.

    Green is the DL pass rushing specialist. Unlike Klecko he can also play all three positions when needed.
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    Do you mean the Jarvis Green that hasn't played or practiced in aabout two weeks ?

    I believe they stopped using Klecko at FB last year when they placed him on IR.
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    i have said this b4, but klecko has one of the biggest motors on this team. he just doesnt have the body to match. imo the coaches love this guy because he goes at 110% all the time. have you guys ever seen him warm up b4 a game an hour b4 the rest of the team? the guy is an animal. its tough to cut a guy like that.
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    This will be Klecko's break-out year as an interior pass-rush specialist. Here or some place else. As many times as this D will have their opponent in 3rd-and-long, I hope we keep him. We let too many off the hook last year.
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    So, who on the DL would you cut to keep Klecko?
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    Keep 7. Smith and Thomas to PS, Hill and Freeman cut. Box thinks Freeman will be back in Jan., Hill practiced today, but I don't see how he shows enough to make the team and unlikely to be IR'ed. Chronic inactive or injured.
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    We need 6

    We have 6
    Seymour,Wilfork,Warren,Green,Wright and Sullivan
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    All the rest are competing for one of the bottom 3 or roster spots:
    Thomas, Freeman, Hill and Klecko


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    The way I see it there seem to be two schools of thought as to how to assemble a roster. The first is along the lines of building a depth chart (figure number of roster spots allocated to each position, fill with best players). The second is more along the lines of filling roles (starters, plus coverage LB, Pass rush specialist, Key STers, etc...). As tempting as it may be to think along the depth chart building method, I think the latter is the way BB thinks. (Actually, it is probably a little of both, but I digress.) I recall Parcells talking about filling out his roster and (to paraphrase) he said: You basically know who your starters and key backups are gonna be, then you have the guys that play on packages like third downs, add in back up QB and guys in the kicking game and you only have two or three spots left on game day. At that point i'm looking for guys that can possibly make a difference, like block a kick, make a play on Special Teams, create a difficult matchup. You are not really looking for a guys who is your third or fourth option at LB or OL. If you have to rely on those guys, you are pretty much done anyway.

    The way I see it there are compelling reasons for opting for Klecko or Thomas. If you are looking for that special skills guy, of the two, Klecko is the choice. If you want the better all-around player who is essentially injury protection, keep Thomas.

    Given the depth and position flexibility of the six guys ahead of them, I think Klecko brings more to the table. No slight to Thomas, but he may need to flourish on another team.
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    Exactly right. Other needs elsewhere. It's not just about DL, it's about a roster spot for a ST player or one at a weak position where we need to groom people.

    I'm fine with 6 DL. If Klecko can make the six, good luck to him.
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