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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Good info, I like him at #21 much better seeing this and hearing that he was dropping into coverage for BC.PonyExpress said:My argument for why Kiwanuka can be a 3-4 OLB:
If you watch him play, against BYU for instance, it is baffling how much the DC tasked him with dropping into coverage on passing downs. At the time I considered it questionable coaching, especially considering his pass rushing skills. In retrospect, it provided an opportunity to watch him in space. To my eyes he looked very comfortable. A look at his agility times from the combine illustrates this when compared with 13 top Linebacker prospects in the draft.
40 time 20sh 60sh 3-cone
Kiwanuka(266) 4.70 4.13 11.65 7.27
Greenway(242) 4.78 4.22 NA 7.01
Hawk (248) 4.59 3.96 11.06 6.82
Sims(234) 4.50 4.22 11.62 7.31
D. Jackson(230) 4.70 4.36 11.89 7.05
Hodge(233) 4.80 4.30 11.69 7.09
Howard(239) 4.41 4.28 11.22 6.96
Lawson(241) 4.43 4.18 11.08 6.90
Wimbley(248) 4.61 4.42 11.74 6.97
MacIntosh(237) 4.63 4.20 NA 7.32
Nicholson(242) 4.74 4.43 12.4 7.34
Wilkinson(231) 4.62 4.08 11.81 7.21
Ryans(236) 4.65 4.17 12.08 7.19
I included the players weights in parentheses by their name. Kiwanuka was competitive in the 40 (tied with DJackson), 3rd in the 20 yard shuttle, 5th in the 60 yard shuttle, and 10th in the 3 cone drill. Meanwhile he outweighed everyone by at least 18 lbs (Wimbley) and most of the LBers by 30 lbs. This tells me he has the athleticism to play the 3-4 OLB position. Instincts are another question. But with his attitude, pass rushing skills, size, coachability and enthusiasm to learn the 3-4 I see an excellent candidate: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...ior+bowl+3-4+defense&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
I'd be happy with Manny also.mavfan2390 said:I'd rather have Manny Lawson man.
PonyExpress said:Fungi,
I believe we are brothers in arms on this one. However, the folly of NFL GMs knows no bounds. It wouldn't surprise me at all if based on poor research and 17 reps on the bench he drops to #52. That's why the Pats keep beating the snot out of everyone year after year. Who is Kiwi's agent? quote]
Tom Condon.....
Wonderful. Although the sticking point with him was # of years and the 6 year option is gone for us now, in our current position.Patsfanin Philly said:Tom Condon.....
BelichickFan said:Wonderful. Although the sticking point with him was # of years and the 6 year option is gone for us now, in our current position.
Pro Football Weekly's book says he doesn't always play hard and go all out - I don't watch B.C., is this true ? I love his size, long arms, athleticism and character. Don't forget the long arms, Belichick loves his guys to get their arms up to knock down passes or disrupt passing lanes.
PonyExpress said:Fungi,
I believe we are brothers in arms on this one. However, the folly of NFL GMs knows no bounds. It wouldn't surprise me at all if based on poor research and 17 reps on the bench he drops to #52. That's why the Pats keep beating the snot out of everyone year after year. Who is Kiwi's agent? I'm amazed he's allowing his client to take such unjustified public abuse. Maybe Kiwi's already been told he'll be drafted by someone and that he should keep quiet.
BelichickFan said:Wonderful. Although the sticking point with him was # of years and the 6 year option is gone for us now, in our current position.
Pro Football Weekly's book says he doesn't always play hard and go all out - I don't watch B.C., is this true ? I love his size, long arms, athleticism and character. Don't forget the long arms, Belichick loves his guys to get their arms up to knock down passes or disrupt passing lanes.
PonyExpress said:Kiwanuka did seem to float at times this year. I attribute most of this to playing with an injured outside knee (his push leg for a pass rusher). In some games he probably shouldn’t have been playing at all, but his presence on the field boosted his teammates’ confidence and forced offenses to scheme against him, helping BC’s overall play. Floater or no, he still had the 2nd most sacks of anyone playing Division I football over the last two years and had the most tackles for loss against the run of any DE in Div I football over the last two years. If that’s floating, it’s the Muhammad Ali kind.
While this is true, it is true about any player's status in the draft, rising, fallilng or steady.Flying Fungi said:no way he drops to 52
has anyone heard a GM or coach assess him as a 2nd rounder?
only mocks and draft pundits have discredited him to my knowledge
Flying Fungi said:no way he drops to 52
has anyone heard a GM or coach assess him as a 2nd rounder?
only mocks and draft pundits have discredited him to my knowledge
I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the following teams make a move on him in the 1st:
Cleveland
New England
NYJ
Denver
Dallas
Minn
STL