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  1. drew4008

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    Thought this should go in the main forum so everyone sees, since Kiper is such a big name regarding the draft and all.


    1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB* USC
    2. New Orleans Matt Leinart, QB USC
    3. Tennessee Vince Young, QB* Texas
    4. NY Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia
    5. Green Bay Mario Williams, DE* NC State
    6. Oakland A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St.
    7. San Francisco Michael Huff, DB Texas
    8. Buffalo Haloti Ngata, DT* Oregon
    9. Detroit Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
    10. Arizona DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
    11. St. Louis Vernon Davis, TE* Maryland
    12. Cleveland Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
    13. Baltimore Tamba Hali, DE Penn St.
    14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T* USC
    15. Atlanta Jimmy Williams, DB Virginia Tech
    16. Miami Ashton Youboty, CB* Ohio St.
    17. Minnesota LenDale White, RB* USC
    18. Dallas Marcus McNeill, T Auburn
    19. San Diego Santonio Holmes, WR* Ohio St.
    20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson
    21. New England Laurence Maroney, RB* Minnesota
    22. Denver (from WSH) Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
    23. Tampa Bay DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
    24. Cincinnati Ko Simpson, DB* South Carolina
    25. NY Giants Johnathan Joseph, CB* South Carolina
    26. Chicago Leonard Pope, TE* Georgia
    27. Carolina Dominique Byrd, TE USC
    28. Jacksonville Ernie Sims, OLB* Florida St.
    29. Denver Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
    30. Indianapolis Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, G USC
    31. Pittsburgh Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St.
    32. Seattle Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
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    Lotta f'ed up picks at the end of the first... like Joseph, Byrd, Lutui, Moss, and Stovall going in the first. Overall, a piece of crap as usual.

    As for the Pats pick, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Maroney. The Pats running game obviously struggled last year, and if Dillon's cap number can be restructured, then I'd be all for a RB like Maroney to go along with Dillon and take over in the future.
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    If White last until the #17 pick, then we need to trade up to get him. I like the Maroney pick though
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    I'd rather have Manny Lawson or Bobby Carpenter.
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    Watch BelichickFan cry if this happens :mad:
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    How do you know who is going in the first round? Do you have a crystal ball? All I know is Kiper has a whole staff who works for him talking to NFL GM's and breaking down film so I will listen to him before I do somebody on patsfans.com. Also, if you followed The Senior Bowl at all and listened to the buzz coming out of Mobile, no one would be surprised to see Moss going in round one. As a matter of fact, I think after his performance during Senior Bowl week, it's pretty likely. Of course, Kiper doesn't know anything. Everyone is just jealous because he gets paid a lot of money to do what we all wish we could do so we say he doesn't know anything. My money says he knows a lot more than you do.
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    helmet-head is consistently below other analysts.... he gets cred only because espn backs him
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    i agree...........
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    I think it may have to do with the acc. of last years mocks...

    IIRC - wasnt it gawd awful
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    Kiper is routinely way off on his picks, and I've gotten to know his strategy. Early in the offseason he cycles players through the bottom of his top 32, so that come draft time no matter who goes high (if he brings enough up for ONE mock) he can claim to have hit on their talent in the process - His late first round mock's will stabilize and become somewhat more realistic as we approach the draft in April. Until then, expect to see a lot of big reaches from him down there - and expect them to be different every time.
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    Please let this happen.
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    The fact that Mel Kiper has an army that goes out and talks to NFL GM's doesn't mean anything to me.

    If I were a GM, I'd follow the Sun Tzu School of War, and not reveal anything to media people about my intentions.

    I would talk up players I had no interest in, pretend not to know anything about the players I really wanted, and in general be extremely vague and general about the whole thing.

    Wouldn't be surprised if most GM's did this.
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    Is Maroney that good that they'd pass on a good DB like a Bing who Banks has them picking but Kiper doesn't even have going in the 1st round?
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    Thinking about it again, I guess the redeeming fact if we did take a RB would mean that we really do need one. What I mean by that is none of us know how Dillon's health, attitude and blocking by the OL were. If the Patriots think everything around him was fine and he just sucked then, yeah, we need to find a real RB. I guess I'm kind of hoping that's not true. But if we draft a RB high that'll answer the question.
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    This is a good rundown of draftnik performance over the previous three years. The Huddle Report
    The number of top 100 prospects actually picked in the first 100 picks of Draft - Kiper placed 3rd

    Mock drafts - 1pt for each player placed in round and 2pts for each player matched to team - Kiper placed 5th.

    I'm not really a fan of Kiper, but its not a bad track record. I was surprised.
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    i think i read some article last year i think it was tuesday morning QB on nfl.com who showed how rarely is kiper right but still talks as if he predicted it. i would doubt they will take a RB in the first round. A DE or a WR (from Notre Dame i think) seems more likely.
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    Again, I'm not a fan, but I think the Huddle Report's rundown proves that Kiper isn't 'rarely' right at all, at least when it comes to predicting a given draft's top 100 players, or in mock drafting. Click the link.
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    I think Kiper is wrong because I don't think BB would draft an RB that high in the draft--even if we need a good one. He's been quite content to draft RBs in later rounds, with the hopes of finding a winner. It's not a bad strategy, really, as many good RBs have come in the later rounds and many of the highly touted ones haven't panned out.

    Besides, it would be better to spend that choice on a OL road-grader, who would improve the lives and performances of Dillion, Brady and Watson.
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    Whoever was the 1st person who said "even a blind squirrel will eventually find a nut" would surely have had Mel Kiper in mind. He is one of the few names you'll recognize on draft day, but for a guy who's only job is to figure out who gets drafted by who, he really is not that good at it. He undoubtedly has many contacts who he can call and ask what teams are looking at which players, but based on what he considers a teams need and what players they are picking, he is not at all god at what he does.
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    I like Maroney as well. But if the draft shakes out like that, I think I'm drafting Simpson, although Pope is SO tempting. Fauria out, Pope in. Watson, Graham, and Pope. Best TE combo of all time. Almost certainly the only one that features all recent #1 picks.
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    bing's supposed to be hurt a lot

    i'd be ok if he was taken but that injury history, especially shoulders, is not promising.
    maroney or greenway look Just Fine to me. IMO greenway seems to the more highly regarded, and seems to have great attributes for his position. one thing about each of these three: they don't seem to have the classic BB/SP adjectives. you know, "smart, leader (team captain), a little mean, plays with pain". every one of our draftees the past 2 years has had those words in their scouting report. obviously Beth-el Johnson did not. still mystifies me that a Texas A&M player would have his work ethic. i'm surpised he wasn't run off after his freshman year.
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    I don't know. Instead of trading up for LenDale, I could see a trade up for Jimmy Williams.
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    I will be extremely disappointed if we draft Jimmy Williams in the first round. Absolutely pissed if we actually trade up to get him. Great athlete, but I don't see any way he's a CB in the NFL. I think his upside is probably Eugene Wilson, and we've already got one.
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    You think? I've been enamored with Williams for a while now. I guess it would depend on the offseason plan for the DB positions that the staff has in place. As someone who's seen Maroney play for a few years, I'm not all that sold on him, though he shows flashes of brilliance. I'd take a chance on Williams before Maroney.
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    I'll pass on Williams. If we trade up for a DB, which I don't think we will or don't even think we should, then it would have to be Huff, or a few spots to get a shutdown corner like Hill. Why in the hell did I hear someone say draft Pope?! We struggle to get 2 TEs on the field, how are we going to get 3?! Graham will stick around, and we're set for the future.
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    Choosing a running back late may be not be a "bad" strategy, it surely hasn't been effective for the patriots. Our last two starting running backs have been via trade, as well as our last blocking fullback or two. Last year our prospects were so bad that they were ALL cut.

    Personally, I think the issue with running backs in this draft is that they ar too small for what Belichick wants, unless he is a returner. We need two additions, a blocker or returner and a backup to Dillon. Bottom line, I don't know if any of the running backs are on the patriots' board. But I would have no problem at all with a first round running back.

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    I agree with you, but last year my faith in this method was shaken when Mankins was drafted. Up until then, BB drafted guards even lower than RBs. Next thng he'll be drafting a LB on the first day.
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    We shouldn't draft Pope, but I'd love to see it anyway. I don't think he can be covered.

    Why would Graham stick around? He's got one chance at big money, and next year is it. Belichick values him as a blocker, but somebody's going to offer him more than Belichick will as a number 2, or at best 1B, Tight End.
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    Your faith was shaken because you looked at the mocks and analyses that listed Mankins as a guard. IMHO, Mankins wouldn't have been drafted if he didn't have LT skills (ditto for the other GUARD Kaczur).

    The open question is whether Belichick would draft a roadgrader in the first round; that is, a player who can only play RG or RT.

    The bottom line is that the 2006/2007/2008 running game needs two running backs (one could be a fullback) and a RG/RT's, and probably a C.

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    Mel is that you??

    Seriously his predictions are usually the worst out of all of the mainstream guys. After the top 10 his picks are worthless, remember last year when we picked Mankins he called it a reach and that Mankins would go no higher then the late second round. Well then after the draft we found out that San Francisco and Tenn. were both going to take him if he was available. That is just one example that I can think of off the top of my head. The guy is a tool!

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