Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by SVN, Oct 30, 2007.
There is merit to taking Tom out of the game in huge blowouts. Beyond the possible injury scenario, I'd like to see Matt Cassel get more game time just so he gets his experience up. Yes he threw that INT to Jason Taylor, but that was due in large part i think to him not seeing NFL defenses at game speed. He did well in that run for a TD against the skins though. I'd like to see him out there more when we have large leads just to get him comfortable standing under center.
You can't take him out in the 3rd quarter. I'd like to see Tom come out in the beginning of the 4th.
Brady has played half a season with Welker, Stallworth and Moss, less than half if you start taking him out of games with 33% of the game leftto play. You have to maintain your sharpness somehow.
I'd say beginning of the 4th quarter is appropriate. He has been in there for one series too many for my liking, but that's really a very minor quibble.
I agree with this. It would be great to see what Cassell has. And it would be very funny if next week the media and fans are crying that it is Cassell running up the score.
That would be fine for me too. If he came out too early that would really affect my fantasy team
If you take Brady out in the 3rd quarter, you lose the #3/emergency quarterback. Which is why they waited until the fourth... although I guess Burger King wanted them to take Brady out in the middle of a drive.
And if the score remained the same, as it apparently very likely would have been given their inability to stop the backup in his lone drive, we would have still been bashed for "running up the score" with our backup "getting work" and further disrespecting coach Gibbs and his valient warriors...
You can't take a knee throughout the 4th quarter regardless of who is under center, nor should you be expected to except by whiny, underperforming millionaire idiot-athletes and their pathetic enablers.
There are a few good reasons for removing Brady and putting in Cassel during blowouts. Keeping Brady healthy, giving the appearance that we're not complete jerks (however lame and unnecessary that should be) and seeing what we have in Cassel.
Were he to look halfway decent, I suppose it's possible we could get a 6th for him down the road, or a 7th. Every little bit counts. And I think it would be cool to see him out there some more. That one play against Miami was hideous, obviously, but the kneejerk reaction to it was a bit much. He looked a lot better this week, (in yet another small sample-size.)
That's pretty much what they have been doing, no? They took him out this week for the first series that started in the 4th quarter. I dont think they can take him out in the 3rd(isn't that just insulting?), and you can't take him out in the middle of the drive. What they did was Goldilocks - just right.
How many games did Manning come out early when he was throwing 49 TD passes and the Colts were blowing teams out a couple of years ago? None.
The only reasons to take Brady out are to minimize risk of injury and to get Cassel some reps.
I have no problem with Brady staying in.....pile it on....put the records out of reach....make everybody cry for the whaaaaambulance.
You do? Can you you explain this?
The same idiots saying Brady should be taking out of the game with 17 mins to play would be the same idiots lining up to say blowing people out and taking Brady out too early is the reason the Pats lost to so and so, if and when that happens. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Belichick can't win either way with the media. There is a reason why Peter King writes about the games and Bill Belichick coaches and wins the games.
I'm quoting Reiss here, since, unfortunately, the link Miguel provided to the NFL rulebook actually cuts off before they get to the "Third Quarterback" rules.
That is it as far as the rule goes. Playing Cassel before the end of the fourth does not prevent the Patriots from turning to Gutierrez in the fourth, but playing Gutierrez during the first three quarters for any reason prevents the Pats from putting Brady or Cassel back into the game.
I don't believe in taking your QB out before the fourth quarter under any circumstances other than poor production or injuries. I can see pulling him at the end of the 3rd quarter even if the Pats were in a middle of an offensive drive.
There is a definite double standard though. No one would complain about leaving your defensive starters in the whole game in a 38-0 blow out. It is funny that it is ok to try to preserve a shutout in a blowout, but not "run up the score" in a blowout. I think a 34-0 shutout is more embarrassing than a 41-7 blowout.
1. We didn't even have an emergency QB in this game. Gutierrez was ACTIVE.
2. If you take Brady out before the 4th you do NOT lose the emergency QB. Its the other way around. If you play the emergency QB before the 4th you lose the first two QBs.
Huh??? What rul is that?? If you take the starter out in the 3rd quarter you lose the emergency QB??? No..that is not at all true..
The RULE is if the Emergency QB is used BEFORE the 4th quarter, the starting and backup QBs can NOT be in the game after that. LOL...and in THAT game Sunday there was NO Emergency QB as all were active so the rule DOES NOT apply.
Perhaps a lot of people here would be singing a different tune if Tommy
got a season ending injury having been left in the 4th Q with the
score the way it was and the defense playing like it was.
There can be no question .... Tom is in there to break records at the
unnecessary risk of injury.
It's not running up the score ... it's about Tommy breaking records. IMO.
As I've noted elsewhere:
There were 4 blowouts this past weekend: Saints, Chargers, Colts, Patriots. All 4 teams played their starting quarterback into the 4th quarter, with Rivers going the whole way for the Chargers. Brady and Manning both finished drives that started in the 3rd quarter and then were done for the game.
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