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KGB subversion tactics inside the United States

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  1. PonyExpress

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    More relevant than ever...

    The following are interviews with Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, conducted by C. Edward Griffin in 1984. Bezmenov was a KGB operative with high level connections. His father was a Red Army General who reported directly to the Soviet Minister of Defense. Yuri details many of the strategies used by the KGB to demoralize and undermine American society, a critical step in laying the groundwork for a communist takeover. He describes methods used for the manipulation of "useful idiots", socialist sympathizers on the left wing of US politics. His insight is both horrifying and fascinating. The relevance remains. Many of the "lost generations" he describes inhabit the halls of power today. The KGB actively trained the intelligence services of several Islamic countries with whom we are currently embroiled. It seems likely that similar tactics are currently being employed inside of Western democracies today. The very openness of our society, which is its greatest asset, is also its greatest weakness, allowing focused regimes without scruples to burrow into our culture and destroy it from within.

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    Could definitely use more of your input around here, dude!! Don't be such a stranger!


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    not sure what's funnier.... the resurfacing of ridiculous McCarthyist paranoia, or Fog all giddy about finally finding a new friend willing to pipe his pap of choice...
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    #87 Jersey

    It's a good thread ... you guys are just being rude. We do the same thing in other countries and you all know it.
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    I think you would benefit from watching these clips. Give them a try, just for the historical perspective alone. It can't hurt and you may find them interesting.
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    As soon as any one of you "Bush is God, Russia is evil" types watch PBS "The Dark Side"... Haven't seen a single poster here admit to watching that. Just face-valued denial of its contents.

    Anyhow, i'm sure Sen. Joe McCarthy was partially right 57 years ago. However... oops... no one cares. The Israelis have spies here too, and our government knows all about it.
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    Even if you disagree, watching these clips will inform your perspective. They make for interesting viewing, an interview with a man who was a high level KGB operative before defecting. This was in the early 1980s, not the McCarthy period.
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    You don't want to confuse ol' PC with any facts, now; his cynicism might start to melt away and then he'd have to find a whole new persona!! And after all he's invested in the one he wears now!!! :eek: We'd be talking some real coin.


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    "We need to get over our inordinate fear of communism." -- Jimmy Carter c. 1978


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    Posted that a while ago, encouraged people to view part of it, Fog and his crew pretty much sabotaged it.. dismissed the content as it was a PBS presentation.. even though it had many of Bush's Lieutenants
    testimony..

    If we do not know there are foreign operatives here, and if we do not have foreign operatives all over the world exerting influence.. shame on us.. it is what it is the way of the political world.
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    the irony in your posts grow more profound each time, and each time i'm convinced the latest tripe can never be surpassed... and each time i'm wrong...

    facts? cynicism? a 'worn persona?' ... it's truly poetic ...

    what an utter charicature you seriously are...
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    Spell-check: "caricature".


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    that's all you have to say ... priceless indeed...

    you should run some kind of "check" on yourself... that's what you should do, fraud...

    facts, cynicism and a 'worn persona'... from you... i can't stop chuckling...
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    "fraud": PC's timeless m.o.: when he is defeated he pulls out the ad homs. When his opponent fires back, PC points fingers.

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    What a freaking tool you is, PressBoy!!


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    wait... what?

    how have you defeated me? on what issue? ...
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    Well Pony, the BEAUTIFUL thing about America is that it would be totally acceptable if a group of our fine citizens wanted to start a communist party. We have actually had small & weak versions of a communist party in our modern history.

    Communism is just a different form of government. It bears no inherent evil any more than a democracy. So if your neighbors came to you and said "we are starting the American Communist Party (ACP)" you would find that perfectly acceptable due to our first ammendment rigths. It would cause you amazement and wonder over the freedoms we have in this land. Of course you would tell your neighbors "no thank you" and smile.

    There is absolutely nothing to fear in communism itself. Unless someone is afraid of losing all their "stuff" :D

    capiche comrade?
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    You obviously have no idea what Marxist-Leninism is.

    In Marxist-Leninism there is no freedom of expression, freedom of worship, private property, no morality other than the power of the state. A human being is an insect. Marxist-Leninism embraces mass murder as an acceptable political tactic- not only is it acceptable it is a necessary step in its implementation. Marxist Leninism is everything that is evil about mankind. For you to openly suggest that it is not inherently evil is a tragic indictment of your own moral outlook.

    I am not angry at you. I feel compassion for you as a victim of propaganda.
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    Another one of your typical over reactions Pony. I am not nor have I ever been a fan of communism. And the topic here is communism as a form of government. Marxism-Leninism is an EXAMPLE of a government that adopted communism.

    Communism is not inherently evil. Just as democracy is not inherently good. I could put together a very long list of evil things our government has done and you know I'm right Pony.

    All I am saying is that a communist party could start in my or your neighborhood and that is perfectly fine under our constitution. And there would be nothing you could do about it. You MUST accept it because it is perfectly legal and constitutional.

    Fortunately, 99.99999% of American's prefer our current form of government. I was just making a point that communism is acceptable in America.
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    You just stated the following: "Communism is just a different form of government. It bears no inherent evil any more than a democracy."

    I did not overreact. There can be no overreaction to that statement. Maybe you were just kidding.

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