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    #11 Jersey

    Looks like it isn't going to happen.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-xl-pipeline/2011/12/19/gIQApUAX8P_story.html

    It's not like the oil is going to lower gas/diesel prices in the USA as the oil will be refined in Texas then shipped overseas.
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    It seems to me there's a possibility it's a real scam, and Obama is correct move slow on this issue for economic reasons as well as environmental ones.

    http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011...e-xl-would-ship-foreign-oil-to-foreign-lands/

    Keystone XL will not bring any more oil into the United State for decades to come. Canada doesn’t have nearly enough oil to fill existing pipelines going to the United States. However, existing Canadian oil pipelines all go to the Midwest, where the only buyer for their crude is the United States. Keystone XL would divert Canadian oil from refineries in the Midwest to the Gulf Coast where it can be refined and exported. Many of these refineries are in free trade zones where oil may be exported to international buyers without paying U.S. taxes. And that is exactly what Valero, one of the largest potential buyers of Keystone XL’s oil, has told its investors it will do. The idea that Keystone XL will improve U.S. oil supply is a documented scam being played on the American people by Big Oil and its friends in Washington DC.
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    #11 Jersey

    The GOP is going to be up in arms about the Administration blocking the pipeline. There are two groups that will benefit if the pipeline is built.

    1). Construction workers.
    2). Big Oil.

    If the thing is built it will not help the USA at all.

    If a bridge/road is built construction workers get jobs and we get to use those bridges and roads after they are built. If this pipeline is built construction workers get jobs then we get nothing after that. Apart from a potential oil leak on the 2000 miles of pipeline and no tax revenue.

    Remember this? Montana: Exxon Mobil not upfront on spill - US news - Environment - msnbc.com
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    Yeah it only a 100k jobs for US workers and a source of energy who care after all the economy is so good and with such low unemployment.....
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    #11 Jersey

    100K permanent jobs?

    A source of energy? You mean gasoline and diesel being sent overseas?
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    There are no hard or fast numbers nor measures as to whether these are full-time jobs, long term jobs, etc. And the pipeline might still be built if rerouted around environmentally sensitive areas. In fact, in that case, it might even generate more jobs.

    Besides that, we need to find out if it's true that the pipeline would actually divert oil from the United States and make it another export. I'm not saying ThinkProgress is right about that, but it's a question certainly worth look into. In fact, let's give it the same scrutiny that we gave Solyndra. If we look hard enough, I bet we'll find some politically connected fingerprints.

    http://www.tarsandsaction.org/spread-the-word/key-facts-keystone-xl/

    In 2008, TransCanada’s Presidential Permit application for Keystone XL to the State Department indicated “a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel” to build the pipeline.
    Jobs estimates above those listed in its application draw from a 2011 report commissioned by TransCanada that estimates 20,000 “person-years” of employment based on a non-public forecast model using undisclosed inputs provided by TransCanada.
    According to TransCanada’s own data, just 11% of the construction jobs on the Keystone I pipeline in South Dakota were filled by South Dakotans–most of them for temporary, low-paying manual labor.
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    #11 Jersey

    Some of the right wing blogs talk about 130,000 jobs being created. They don't mention the "person-years" that TransCanada uses.

    The bottom line is that the pipeline has more negatives than positives.
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    #11 Jersey

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    #11 Jersey

    Re: Obama costs Americans job, higher gas prices

    How is Obama smoking crack? Can you please point out the positives of a 2000 mile pipeline that ends at Texas refineries, then gets sent overseas?
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    Great News!!!

    Its time to get off the titty, its time to move away from oil! One of the better things he has done, now he just needs to veto SOPA and maybe just maybe he'll start to get some of the independent vote back.
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    Can you provide a link for this, please?
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    #11 Jersey

    Don't bother asking for a link. Here is a press release from TransCanada:

    Media Advisory - TransCanada Releases Detailed Keystone XL Job Creation Data

    Where do those jobs go after the pipeline is built?
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    Re: Obama costs Americans job, higher gas prices

    Oh, gee, I don't know. Thousands of American jobs and cheaper fuel prices. Yeah, who would want those worthless benefits?

    You're right. We should just let the oil go straight to China instead of to American families. :rolleyes:
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    This intellectually bankrupt argument reminds me of why the left says we shouldn't drill ANWAR. We always hear that even if we started work on ANWAR today, we wouldn't see any benefits for 10 years.

    Problem is, people like me have been advocating drilling ANWAR for about 15 years now. Once again the left sacrifices the American economy and energy independence because of their obscene short-sightedness.
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    #11 Jersey

    Re: Obama costs Americans job, higher gas prices

    That is what will happen if the pipeline is built. Can you read?
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    Do all the naysayers realize, after the pipeline is done it still needs maintenance. It may not be a hundred thousand jobs, but its aftermath will create more jobs that didn't exsist before.

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    Re: Obama costs Americans job, higher gas prices

    Oh I can read your ignorance quite clearly. You really just don't know what you're talking about here, as your posts have thoroughly demonstrated.
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    #15 Jersey

    In addition to maintenance, cleanup crews too!
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    #11 Jersey

    Re: Obama costs Americans job, higher gas prices

    How will this pipeline bring down the price of gasoline? Please fill me in on your claim.

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