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Key US Official in Afghanistan Resigns, Saying War Not Worth American Lives

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  1. maverick4

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    A former marine captain, a very well regarded person across the military.

    U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - Washington Post- msnbc.com

    Matthew Hoh: new poster boy for critics of Afghanistan war | csmonitor.com

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    It's interesting that the Taliban eliminated the drug crops in Afghanistan, and since we've been in there Afghanistan is the world's biggest narcotics maker (again).
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    Re: Key US Official in Afghanistan Resigns, Saying Not War Not Worth American Lives

    It's unfortunate but I have to agree. There is no good way forward in Afghanistan.
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    Yes because the good Taliban have the welfare of Afghanistan's citizens at heart while we support the narcotics industry over there.:rolleyes:
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    Osama Bin Laden is dead....
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    Change We Can Believe In

    KABUL (Reuters) - Eight U.S. service members working for the NATO-led force and one Afghan civilian were killed in multiple bomb attacks in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday, the alliance said in a statement.
    Eight U.S. troops killed in Afghan bomb attacks | Special Coverage | Reuters

    WHERE ARE ALL THE BUSH HATING ANTI WAR HERO'S CINDY SHEEHAN, PENN, SARANDON, JON STEWART, JOHN (SLOP FACE) MURTHA, JOHN FONDA KERRY, NANCY (TOOTH SUCKER) SKUNK PELOSI, DIRT BAG LETTERMAN WHERE ARE THEY , WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE THEY SHOWED TOWARDS BUSH, WEASEL BASTARDS.

    OBAMA IS BUSY FIGHTING GLENN BECK, DIRTY ARROGANT SON OF A B!TCH.

    YES WE CAN, OH GOD WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE, TINGLE TINGLE, Arghhhhhhhhhahhhhh
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    Actually, while the Taliban are brutal and backwards in many ways, it's true that they eradicated drug crops while in power, and the recent rise of Afghanistan as the world narcotics producer is directly related to our presence in there. Do you actually still think everything we do in foreign lands are for good? Do you also still believe in other lies like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?
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    Get out of Afghanistan now.. get out of Iraq now... not all that complicated, then start closing down some of the 700 bases we pay for world wide...
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    What you said goes directly against PNAC and neo-con ideology to maintain modern empire/hegemony, at all costs. We have enough crazies who will want to launch nukes before they're willing to withdraw military might across the planet.

    The only way we will withdraw is if we can't afford it anymore... actually we already can't afford it, but we definitely can't keep doing it once our foreign investors (China, Japan) stop funding our wars for us.
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    I've said it before I would rather deal with the Taliban then with qaeda. That brings horror to some when it is said ... but we deal with others in the world just as bad. The country is a wasteland ... always will be. You need infrastructure to build an economy ... they don't have any.
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    You know what, maybe you're right. Maybe we should start chopping off limbs, slaughtering children, or raping the wives of poppy growers too. That will surely help eradicate the problem.
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    The unspoken truth is that it's a strategic objective for us to NOT allow Afghanistan to become stable. We need to keep it a sh*thole without any sort of strong government of any kind, so we can get in there and block any game-changing deals that may be developing between Russia, India, China, and the Middle East.
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    Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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    Are you serious? "It's INTERESTING..."? Well, maybe we should execute all the poppy growers too just like the Taliban. You think "maybe" that had something to do with it Mav?
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    I think we need to send more troops.
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    Actually the flavor of your post was that the Taliban was good for Afghanistan and bad America went in and ruined it for them. If not then please explain the reason you felt compelled to prop up the Taliban "accomplishmentsā€¯ Tired old anti-American theme.
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    You all might want to spend an hour watching "Frontline" of 13 October.. you can come to realize what a clusterf..ck this really is... this is Viet Nam redux.

    It is captioned, "Obama's War"...

    FRONTLINE: obama's war | PBS
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    The answer is drones and special forces, not 100,000 conventional troops.
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    Believe the optimal level they want is 650,000... not sure drones and special forces will make all that much difference...
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    The answer is bring the troops home like all the fawning liberals who voted for Barry Jug Ears wanted, "stop the wars" they screamed at Bush, "close Gitmo" they whailed at Bush" "Bush the murderer" they yelled, they cried their little looney eyes out when the caskets came home (the caskets are still coming home) now nothing, not a peep, oh if only Bush were back so we could call him a murderer again, oh we miss Jon Stewart bellowing and acting outraged over the death toll, oh Jesus we can't call beautiful Barack names he's our Holy Messiah, has anybody seen Sean Penn, help us Lord, what will we do.

    OBAMA IS WORSE THAN BUSH AFGHANISTAN IS ANOTHER VIET NAM ONLY WORSE STUPID OBAMA HAS NO IDEA ON HOW TO FIGHT A WAR.

    #1 ON THE OBAMA "TO DO LIST" GET GLENN BECK THE HELL WITH AFGHANISTAN

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    I like to drink before noon too harry:) j/k
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    You talk as if you still think Iraq is better off now than before we invaded it, and that Afghanistan is better off that we have helped make it a civil war sh*thole (intentionally).


    This may sound odd but I have a lot more respect for guys like Cheney, who at least knows he's pure evil and would probably admit in private that it's all in America's self-interest, than the followers who still cling to the idea that American lives are sacrificed to spread freedom, liberty, or to better the rest of the world. All of our foreign behaviors benefit us. We have no problem destroying democracies, helping dictators, creating civil wars, etc, if there is a benefit to us; there are maybe a dozen examples of this since post-WWII. It is also no coincidence the global economic gap has dramatically become more imbalanced over the past 40 years.
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    Huh? I was just questioning why you needed to prop up the Taliban's success in their "war on drugs". Like the other poster said, When the Taliban was driven out they couldn't murder the farmers anymore. I wish we were out of there too right now.
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    I'm still trying to figure out what we're intentionally doing over there, with respect to Russia, China, etc. Care to elaborate MMAv?
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    Good for you, raise hell, you only pass through here once.................

    I say what millions of people think.

    DEPORT AUNT ZUCHINI
    STOP THE WAR
    CLOSE GITMO
    KEEP WINBAG BIDEN LOCKED UP
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    Also, I'd rather have sex with Harry Reid than Patrick kennedy.
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    I've already posted, twice now, articles explaining why we are in Afghanistan and why it is strategically valuable for us to make sure Afghanistan stays an unstable hell-hole without a stable government. Go look it up yourself, stop being lazy.

    This is likely going to turn out just like the financial/economic threads where you show up years late behind on the curve playing your favorite role: Captain Obvious.
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    ahahahahahahahaha!!!! What a fraud! You're a joke pal. You have no clue, or you're afraid to embarass yourself. So that's the answer these days I guess. Call some one lazy, or tell them to look it up themselves. Why not just tell people we're there to control the mountains, and build a ski resort? I think that's why we're there. :rolleyes:
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    Yup... Has been since early 2002. The CIA did it's job, the Rumsfeld-led Pentagon did not.

    Imagine how much stronger our military would be if we didn't extrapolate to Iraq and lose thousands of elite fighting men in those two countries ever since, based on fraud? Gosh, if we had that extra $2 trillion, we might even be able to pull off health care reform, and still have $500 billion left over for CIA clandestine operations. :rolleyes:
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    While that does conjur up an amazing image (one which might go with me all day, thank you), I feel the need to remind you that there is such a thing as going too far, OK?:cool:
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    I think he's referring to this:

    IT'S ALL ABOUT OIL!

    Go to the site, scroll to the map on the bottom of the page, and make your own inferences...or not.

    From the website's reference to the STATEMENT OF JOHN J. MARESCA, VICE
    PRESIDENT OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, UNOCAL CORPORATION contained in the Congressional Record:

    "Unocal foresees a pipeline which would become part of a regional system that will gather oil from existing pipeline infrastructure in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. The 1,040-mile long oil pipeline would extend south through Afghanistan to an export terminal that would be constructed on the Pakistan coast. This 42-inch diameter pipeline will have a shipping capacity of one million barrels of oil per day. The estimated cost of the project, which is similar in scope to the trans-Alaska pipeline, is about $2.5 billion.

    Given the plentiful natural gas supplies of Central Asia, our aim is to link gas resources with the nearest viable markets. This is basic for the commercial viability of any gas project. But these projects also face geopolitical challenges. Unocal and the Turkish company Koc Holding are interested in bringing competitive gas supplies to Turkey. The proposed Eurasia natural gas pipeline would transport gas from Turkmenistan directly across the Caspian Sea through Azerbaijan and Georgia to Turkey. Of course the demarcation of the Caspian remains an issue.

    The Central Asia and Caspian region is blessed with abundant oil and gas that can enhance the lives of the region's residents, and provide energy for growth in both Europe and Asia. The impact of these resources on U.S. commercial interests and U.S. foreign policy is also significant. Without peaceful settlement of the conflicts in the region, cross-border oil and gas pipelines are not likely to be built. We urge the Administration and the Congress to give strong support to the U.N.-led peace process in Afghanistan. The U.S. Government should use its influence to help find solutions to all of the region's conflicts.
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