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  1. Digger44

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    You can't place the loss on him, but was his head in the game? He caused two picks because he couldn't pull the ball in. So maybe they were not the best throws, but he still should have had both catches. He cannot play this type of football. When need him to be the consistant veteran that he should be. I am just ranting because I am annoyed at him, but it seems like if he doesn't fumble he does this stuff. We cannot afford for him to play trash football.
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    Consistent? Consistent at KILLING this team in big games, is more like it. I don't care how good he can be at times, this guy is too much of a gamble to put in there with the game on the line. Just like in Denver, he killed us.
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    I've had enough of Faulk. Sad to say but his negatives just outweigh his positives. And you know he still has one more big fumble yet to come this season. In the offseason I'd try to trade him for a 6th round pick in 2007 or a 5th round pick in 2008. His contract is at the point where trading him wouldn't be a big salary cap issue.
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    Hey guy chill out. This is not a bash Faulk thread. Try reading what I wrote. "he needs to be the consistant vet he SHOULD be." With your login Brady is killing us because of the Champ int then loast nights ints. Maybe we shoulf dump him too.
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    You are running on emotion and thats ok. If his head is in the game he is very dangerous, and the one of the best 3rd down backs in the game. Bid IF.
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    Way to put words in my mouth. And I'm sorry, but when I see a thread dubbed, "Kevin Faulk," I figure the aforementioned name is up for discussion. Sorry it didn't follow the strict, rigid guidelines you set in place.
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    Thats not it at all. You post implied that I refered to Falk as a consistant Vet. Just read what a person writes and then logically respond. Good answer you had for the Brady point huh?
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    No I'm not. When you take his Positive minus Negative so don't end up with a very postitive score. Certainly not worth his cap value.
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    Kevin Faulk = dead man walking.

    Cut this phuck nut asap!!!!

    I've been saying this for years now.

    This guy just can't produce when he is needed.

    First the fumbles... now the no catches.

    This guy s u c k s a s s!!!!

    He needs to be out of here...

    My question is:

    Why in the hell did Brady even consider throwing to the c u n t????
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    For years I've called him Kevin "What The" Faulk.

    It's not the 1st time that Brady has gunned HIGH passes to the 5'7" Faulk over the middle and not even the 2nd game where the result was a tipped ball and an INT. If you throw over the middle into a crown, THROW LOW!!!
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    I liked Faulk for a long time, defended him when he couldn't hold onto the ball back in the 2000 time frame, but he killled us in the fourth quarter.

    I agree that you cannot pin the blame for the entire game on him, but if he had been inactive, I believe in my heart that we would have won that game. I sincerely hope he is inactive for a new games with one caveat: they don't activate Pass as a replacement :D
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    Pinning the game on Faulk (which is strangely becoming commonplace) is foolish and naive. Without Faulk, the entire dynamic of the offense would be shifted.
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    Thats a fair statement, but I'm not sure I agree. First, Dillon and Maroney can both catch out of the backfield. So can Pass.

    We also spent our third and fourth round picks this year on players to catch balls out of the backfield. It's time for Mills to get on the field and for Thomas to start making a play here and there.

    I'm not saying that Faulk is expendable, but I am saying that we have other options and most of them are likely more reliable.
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    You'd want Dillon at RB on 3rd and long? You'd want Mills and Thomas at RB period?

    (And how often to the Pats use a FB, especially on 3rd down?)

    That leaves Maroney and Faulk. If Maroney is getting work on 1st and 2nd down as well as kick returns, Faulk is the remaining option. And he's been one of Brady's favorite and dependable bail-out guys for years and years now.
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    I think Kevin has been a great asset to the team over the years yet I am to the point I can longer defend him. I think he would have been sent to the dog house if he were on other teams. His fumbles to run attempts is too high and his tip cost us last night.
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    Faulk scares me and he always will. When he's running with the ball I yell at the TV "hang onto it". I think the worst when he has the ball. He'll never change that.

    With that said he does come up with big plays now and again. Great catch in week one against Buffalo where he causes matchup problems with teams. And Brady seems to trust him.

    This game wasn't on Faulk. The offensive play calling was awful and the offensive execution was worse.
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    He's won us ball games over the years. He's also made some costly mistakes over the years. What more is there to say? I love the guy, but he can drive you nuts.

    Making catches is rarely a problem for Faulk, he's hauled in some crazy catches, so I'm willing to give him a pass for not bringing down those two passes last night - neither were quite accurate, but both were admittedly MUST catches, particularly considering the situation.

    Maroney has a long way to go to prove he can take over Faulk's role - that double fake reverse screen pass that had Madden in fits - if Maroney catches that pass, and I think he could have, he probably rips off about 15-20 yards there.
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    I am not sure where this idea of LoMo taking Faulk's role comes from???
    Who wants LoMo to take Faulk's role? LoMo is a Superstar in the making as a number one RB. Faulk has always been a 3rd down back and kick returner. Why do you want LoMo to become a 3rd down back? That would be a total waste of a first round draft pick. We are expecting LoMo to be another LT not Kevin Faulk.
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    You just described Drew Beldsoe, not Kevin Faulk. Bledsoe won games and drove us nuts. Faulk, along with 44 other guys, participated in games and helped, but to say he won games for us is a bit over the top.

    The guy had been very helpful over the years, but now he is causing more harm than good. There comes a time to look that fact in the face and admit it out loud. Otherwise you fill your team with guys that used to be helpful but are now hindrances.

    Gratitude is fine, and I am grateful to Faulk. I am also grateful for all that Gino Cappilletti did, and Nellie and Grogan etc etc, but I don't want them suiting up for us against the Jets.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that players should not be on the team "because of all they have done for us." They should be on the team because they give us the best chance of winning.

    This isn't over-emotional Faulk bashing like Digger44 said. It is a cold hard football analysis of of his abilities and liabilities. The facts say it's time to say, "Good-bye."
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    When in the world was this "turning point" when Faulk suddenly changed over from a "help" to a "hinderance?!?"

    His 19 receptions are a hiderance?

    His 13.4 yd. punt return average - 3rd in the league - is a hinderance?
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    How's that a total waste of a first round pick? As I recall one of Maroney's first carries of the regular season was third down draw that went for about 17 yards.

    3-5-BUF25 (12:17) (Shotgun) L.Maroney right guard to BUF 3 for 22 yards (T.Vincent).

    It's not like the pats are overusing him like Herm did with Curtis or now with LJ.

    I personally would like to see more draws on third down with maroney or a swing pass.

    People get to tied into specific roles. He's there to make plays, that's a perfect opportunity to make one.
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    How's that a total waste of a first round pick? As I recall one of Maroney's first carries of the regular season was third down draw that went for about 17 yards.

    3-5-BUF25 (12:17) (Shotgun) L.Maroney right guard to BUF 3 for 22 yards (T.Vincent).

    It's not like the pats are overusing him like Herm did with Curtis or now with LJ.

    I personally would like to see more draws on third down with maroney or a swing pass.

    People get to tied into specific roles. He's there to make plays, that's a perfect opportunity to make one.
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    I guess I don't follow your logic here - so if LoMo is a superstar in the making - and I agree - why would he only be a superstar on 1st and 2nd down? Wouldn't you want your superstar in on 3rd down? I don't understand the logic behind pulling your best weapon off the field on the most important down.

    My point was, there will come a time at some point in his career in which Maroney will be a good enough pass catching and weapon out of the backfield that you will not want to pull him off the field on 3rd down. That isn't the case yet, Faulk is still our best 3rd down option. I was by no means suggesting we make Maroney the "3rd down back".
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    Are you saying there hasn't been games where Faulk wasn't clearly a potential MVP of that game? He's made a ton of huge fourth quarter plays for us over the years. He's also had some killer mistakes. I know there's a gut reaction to get angry with Faulk b/c he's coughed it up too many times in his career - but we can't forget all the huge plays he has made for us in his time here. He has won us games.
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    Good point.

    I do like Maroney on 3rd and long as long as Dillon is getting most of the carries on 1st and 2nd downs. And I do see the value of having Maroney as KR, so yes, you don't want to completely burn him out before the playoffs, but right now he is the most solid option on 3rd and long.

    Mills does supposedly fit the pass-catching FB role. Best case scenario would be for him to be able to contribute on third and long, like a Larry Centers type. Pass plays this role as well, although pick your poison there.

    Basically, we spent our first four picks in this year's draft on skill players and I'd like to see one of them step up on third down, and I think they can if give a chance. Then consider our two first round TE's, one the most clutch third down player receivers of all time in Brown, and our other receivers...there are other options for converting on 3rd and long.
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    Inmates running the asylum...

    The team lost the game yesterday. Kevin Faulk led the team with 5 receptions - including a key 4th down catch which extended the Patriots first scoring drive.

    8 penalties, 5 turnovers, and the inability to stop Indy on 3rd down were the major factors in the loss. Faulk doesn't deserve any more or less blame for this loss than any other player on the Patriots. Singling him out just isn't right.
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    Personally, I am tired of holding my damn breath everytime Kevin Faulk gets the ball. I pray that he goes down when he's running with it before he fumbles. I am completely uncomfortable watching him with the ball. He costed us this game. Sugarcoat it all you want, that tip costed the pats the game. We don't need him.


    Digger44, this thread is so weak. You don't have the balls/heart to come out and say that Kevin Faulk sucks or call this thread exactly what it is, a "bash Kevin Faulk" thread. You don't need to walk on eggshells about this, just say what you feel.

    I also find it hilarious that you reply with attitude to the first poster in this thread, but then when Belichikfan responds in more or less the same manner, you wipe his butt and say he's acting on "emotion".

    Who's butt you sniffin?
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    No, I'm not saying to forget the plays he made in the past, and no, we won't forget what he has done for us. That isn't the same as saying he still belongs on the team. Go back and read my last post, and you will clearly see what I am saying. It isn't about what Faulk did for us in the past, it is what he is doing to us in the present. Can you say that Faulk was clearly the MVP of any game THIS year? That he made a ton of fourth quarter plays THIS year?

    I don't disagree with you and the others who say what a great job he did for us, I only disagree when you say he is still doing it.

    I didn't single out Kevin Faulk personally, you know. No one did. People are singling out the player who turned two catachable balls into interceptions, both deep in Indy Territory, at the end of half/game.

    That guy, what his name might be, may not be the reason we lost, but he is not helping our cause a single bit any more, and IMO we will play better without him on the field. Having a key catch in a drive is meaningless if you later tip a catchable ball into an INT.

    Anyway, it isn't Faulk's fault. It the fault of the coaching staff who put him in the game. Faulk's palying as best as he can. It just isn't that good anymore. So why put him in when there are players who are so much better?

    At one point we had first and goal at the ten yard line at one point. In goes Faulk and Evans, and they give the ball to Faulk who gets stuffed. Well, duh! You're on the ten yard line, you have Dillon and Maroney on the sdielines and you're running Kevin Faulk out of the I formation? Is that what you would have called? I wouldn't have. I would have called on Dillon or Maroney as a single I back, and would either run him or do a play action.

    We didn't draft Maroney to have Kevin Faulk run out of the I in goal line formations. At least he didn't fumble!
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    My first thought last night was that it wasn't completely his fault. Brady's pass wasn't very good. It was high. He's a midgit. He put his mitt up to get it.

    Then I began to realize that it seems as though anytime something goes wrong in a big game it seems like Faulk is around the ball, or directly involved somehow.


    And furthermore, there's no legitimate reason he was in there in that situation over Maroney. None. I don't want to hear this BS about he does such and such better than Maroney. Bullfeathers. Save your amateur film reviews. Save the personnel grouping theories. Best players on the field at crunch time. End of story.
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    I disagree. Faulk has had many meaningful plays this season. In week one, on a 3rd & 9 on Buffalo's 17 yard line Faulk hauled in an amazing touchdown catch from Brady. That brought the Pats back in the game 17-14, late in the 3rd quarter.

    Versus Cincinnati, Faulk returned a punt 43 yards into Bengals territory to set up their second scoring drive and put the Pats ahead 14-6. Earlier in the game on the Pats first scoring drive the ball was directly snapped to Faulk, handed off to Jackson, who ran for a 1st down - that was a 3rd down play...and Faulk was a key component in that play.

    Kevin Faulk is also the 3rd ranked punt returner in the NFL with a 13.4 yard average.

    Sure Faulk had two passes "bobbled" in the Colts game. It was a fairly bad game for him (it was a bad game for the entire team). I simply don't agree that the Pats would be "better off" without him on the field and that he's not helping the cause anymore. He's a contributor and a playmaker - and it's unfair to ask the proverbial question, "what have you done for me lately" after he played a poor game.
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