Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by pats1, Jul 8, 2008.
Man, I know people that got busted with alot more than that and had to do alot less...could excuse to get him to be a guest speaker somewhere.
He shouldnt have taken the deal.
What a loser.
Yeah ... that would be you Troll
In Massachusetts this would have gotten him no more than a 6 month continuance without a finding. LA seems to be a bit harsher.
*sigh* I am SO tired of seeing PROfessionals getting busted for pot possession. You're making millions of dollars, why do you need to smoke pot to get your entertainment? You can afford to pay for a lot more interesting activities/entertainment!
How dare people like pot.
That's right up there with those douchebags who like alcohol.
Except that it is LEGAL to drink/possess alchohol. Gee, what an oversight!
When you are a PROfessional and you get in trouble for substance abuse by using POT, that's really inexcusable. You are putting your livelihood at stake there for what, a temporary high?
People in professions that don't mandate drug testing can get away with recreational drug use. Understand the difference??
Its always easy to tell who does and doesn't smoke pot on messageboards
I'm not really prepared to argue with paragraphs and punctuation about whatever it is you're talking about on an internet forum dedicated to football.
Maybe it's because we play the same dot football game or something, but I'm just going to say that I think your argument has no basis in the reality of this country and/or planet, and will never make any sense outside the confines of the internet soapbox you've created out of outrage-shaped matchsticks.
My intention is simply to make fun of everyone who actually gives a **** what someone else does with their recreational time, recreationally.
it seems strange that marshall faulk is so hard on the pats when his cuz, kevin, plays for them. hopefully kevin will clean up his act, he has been a great asset to this team over the years, and i hope he continues to be. the reason nfl players smoke pot is because they like it. they make millions of dollars but so what, they are still people. If they really like something and think they can get away with it there is a good chance a lot of them are going to do it. no matter what line of work you look at there will be people who do drugs and break laws. and in the case of rap and rock stars, it is not only accepted, it is often celebrated. actors have been busted with pot, happens all over. i dont even think weed should be illegal, but that is another issue i suppose.
Robert Parrish never traveled with less than a quarter pound of the sinse back in the day...Bird was straight, McHale was a freakin' politician worse than Schilling is today and DJ had grown past it all...leaving the Mormon pest Ainge to totally piss off the rest of the league. Did ANYBODY ever rat? No. The reason why is pot is easily the safest method to chill when surrounded by four other unbelievably focused, near psychopathic teammates. And make no mistake, Parrish made more than a few HUGE plays in their glory years. So I, as an old fan(57) have absolutely nothing against any of these pro athletes using weed to deal with pressure the rest of us could never understand.
Steroids...coke...amphetamines...OK...deleterious to the game...but c'mon, you want Paul Pierce coming off a team doctor prescribed dose of Vicodin or Zanax playing in a game of im portance?
:singing: You know, you are really right.
Wasn't it someone else's jacket?? Or was that forgotten....or is that just a rumor??
Not sure, but I think he has had a previous arrest for pot. Maybe that's why it is a bit harsher of a penalty.
My question is why his friends let him carry the weed. If my buddy was an NFL RB with a lot to lose I'd hold it for him. He probably hooks these guys up when he's home.
Kevin says the coat with the cigars in it wasn't his.
Maybe it was his cousin's, Marshall Faulk's, the bastard!
Were I Bob Kraft, I'd have all the players' cousins in for a drug seminar.
It's not about what you care about.
And make fun all you want but what someone who plays for your team does recreationally with their recreational time that impacts their ability to play (because of possible suspension...) is what fans give a **** about. It would be no different if he were abusing a legal substance say by driving while intoxicated. If this lands him in the pee in a cup program, and it likely will now that he has pled no contest (not to mention he may have already been in the program and we wouldn't know it), any further infractions risk possible suspension either under the substance abuse program or the commissioner's conduct policy. THAT is what is stupid about a player making millions playing a game they can only hope to participate in for a decade or so. He'll have plenty of recreational time to do what ever the F he cares to once his all too brief professional football career is over - which at his age will be in another 2-3 seasons during which this team is paying him to be a multi million dollar third down back because his presence on the field matters that much...
Isn't it always...? That was his contention but it obviously had to do with trying to remain out of the program. He had a test administered the next day in hopes of avoiding the program or impressing the powers that be, but perhaps he found that absent the charges being dropped that wasn't going to help him. So he pled no contest likely to avoid any further attention to the matter like court dates involving testimony or witnesses.
Players want to avoid triggering the program because once it is they face year round random testing and the specter of possible suspension becomes a reality. Second offenses extend the program for two years during which third offenses trigger automatic suspension. And after the first suspension looms the year long one. So once you've been caught the concept of truly discreet recreational use becomes nearly impossible and clearly career threatening.
In reality these professionals are just normal people like everyone else, and I'm sure you know plenty of normal people who would love to go to a lil wayne rap concert with a hand full of doobies.
But you're right in he should have been smarter to hand it off to one of his posse to take the fall. That's Rule #1 of having a posse.
Well I'm not going to respond to--or read--all of what MoLewis posted above. I'm just going to say that it continues to be a shame that pot isn't legalized in this country, and I don't even smoke. Granted, as a league rule Faulk is in the wrong here no matter how you shake it and as a fan I wish he had a bit more restraint.
All that said, likening pot smoking to driving drunk seems a bit ridiculous to me...I'm not even going to go into why, but if you believe that to be true then you've watched too many of the scare-tactic commercials from the 90's.
I wish I didn't have to care about this, but I do. Like many, I've seen the damage that booze does to individuals and families and I don't think pot is any better or worse. But, it's against the law and I have young kids. Kevin should have been more careful.
This will probably cost him some meaningful endorsement and appearance money and the Pats will have to be consistent about their "off the field" standards.
Darn, can't this just go away? When does Training Camp start...in just 15 days if I'm not mistaken.
See, that's the only REAL issue here. The decriminilize my pot people just can't ever let it be that. Their persecution complex radar goes off. And that is the reality based correlation to DUI - both are illegal.
As a product of generations of alcoholics I never developed a taste for the stuff. But as a youngster I was desperate to have the fun everyone reportedly associated with getting buzzed or high. For me drinking enough to experience that came at a price I determined was not very much fun... So naturally I tried the alternative. It made me foolish and stupid, which I determined was not all that much fun either...
My family now has additional generations of addictive personalities who think you can't be happy unless you can be buzzed. Most of the next generation has spent some time in expensive rebab as a result. Some even as guests of the state. And the sad reality is none of them - not to mention their now soda sipping parents - ever seem very happy to me, just alternately and collectively foolish and miserable.
If you can't enjoy life straight up your recreational $$$ is probably better spent on therapy. Particularly if you're risking jail time and loss of livlihood in the process seeking your illusive happy place. Rationalize all you want but that's the simple reality.
You summed it up for me pretty well. It's not so much going down on pot usage. It's the fact that using that pot will get Faulk into trouble, it's against the law, it's against league policy and he KNOWS this. When Faulk gets into trouble with the league, our dear team, the Patriots gets into trouble. And that is something I don't like one bit. It's just not a smart thing to do.
The issue is not whether doobies should be legal vis-a-vis-alcohol, the issue which many seem to miss is the blatant irresponsibility of someone not just risking their job but their entire career and family's economic well being over a recreational choice that is prohibited by the employer. I'm a big Faulk fan, on the field and off - he's a major positive force in his community, but that does not excuse his short sighted self-absorbed bad choice to risk everything in his career and his family's welfare to indulge a pleasure.
And that is the only REAL difference between booze and pot: one is legal and the other isn't.
When I tell my son why he shouldn't smoke pot, that's exactly what I tell him: because it's illegal and thus will get him into more trouble than it's worth should he be caught.
He thanks me for my honesty, and I rest with perhaps a bit more assurance that, when the day comes that he is tempted to try REAL drugs, he won't think to himself, "Well, he lied to me about pot [being dangerous], so he's probably lied to me about cocaine and heroin, too."
I was going to stay out of this argument all together because it usually goes nowhere but you bring up the scary truth about pot being illegall and the reeefer madness that follows it.
When compared to other drugs and to Alchoal pot is pretty tame and harmless but by making it Illegal and saying it is awful you scare kids into believing this and when they do try it they feel as though they were lied to and may inturn try to find out what else they were lied to about and may get into big trouble that way.
I will finish by saying that I have friends with alchoal problems and friends with hard drug problems and I don't drink much, I don't drink often, and I certainly don't do hard drugs. I do smoke pot and pretty heavy to, but I have no issues (other than avoiding the legality). I have a full time job and I am saving money, I don't jones, I don't beg and plead for every last dime so I can get one more fix, I haven't abused anyone because of what I do. To lump something so harmless in with things so dangerous for yuo is in turn dangerous.
Mo, you're sounding a bit self-righteous. I generally enjoy reading your comments, but please. Your logic in the last paragraph is fine for you and your family to live by, but self-preservation through living straight-edge is a little unrealistic for EVERYONE to practice -- or have to. And therapy as a result of recreational drug or alcohol use? I'm not sure what you do for a living, but as the editor of a magazine in Las Vegas, its part of my job to be out having drinks with people and enjoying that culture. I think I'll be ok in the long run.
you sound like a great dad. that's very good advice for all of us.
I dont smoke weed, but I know a thing or two about plea deals, and I know he shouldnt have taken the deal.
1.) Marijuana use is illegal
2.) Marijuana does have harmful effects
3.) The Players' Union was foolish enough to allow the NFL to include drugs that aren't deemed performance enhancing in the banned substances list
Breaking a stupid law is stupid, especially for a public figure.
But I still love you, KFF.
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