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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/preview05/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2148654&num=0

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    great read. thanks
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    Awesome article.
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    That's why it is so unlikely that a rookie LB can come in and make on impact on this team.
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    Required reading

    Assuming this is all accurate (which I'm not qualified to judge) this is a great article and should be required reading. One question is, To what extent is the cat out of the bag, with other teams now copying us in the type of linebackers we seek? I'm not sure that no other team is "mimicking it."
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    Wow.
    Eye-opening.
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    Great article!!! :)
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    Its a great article. However there are two faults with it.

    1) Bruschi wasn't moved to OLB until after Belichick was in New York. Bruschi was being used as a situational pass-rush DE as a rookie. Also, Bruschi didn't earn a starting spot until 1998 under Pete Carroll.

    2) Roman Phifer was used, specifically, as a pass situation specialist the final 2 years with the team. I don't believe he fits the bill of being good against the run but not the pass.
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    Db, check your dates on BB's Cleveland adventure again...
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    may be a great article, but i thought we were no allowed to post insider stuu on this board. please dont get us in trouble.
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    Thanks Box. Am tired. Fixed it to say the Jets. Either way, BB was gone when Bruschi moved to OLB.
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    [True, unfortunately. Perhaps we should start a campaign to get Mr Joyner a syndicated national column. He is FAR more interesting than the general run of football writers (if he were to replace "Dr" :eek: Z it would be a public blessing).]

    One word jumped into my mind as I read this terrific article:

    KLECKO!!!

    Thoughts? Box?
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    Good article, nice to have a genius as a coach...consider the alternative.
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    He had me until he said that Phifer wasn't good in coverage. He was our primary coverage linebacker especially after he moved to the middle.
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    Thanks for the heads up!

    I'll know better next time. :)

    My apologies to Ian.

    FWIW, this exact same article originated in Joyner's book Sceintific Football: 2005 which I own.
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    That's what I was thinking when reading the part about dropping the NT into coverage. That's Klecko! (So why hasn't it worked?)

    Does anybody think our favorite little change of pace NT makes the squad this again this year?

    Grrrrreat article by the way.
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    Great read even with the few errors! Minus Ian's hand-slapping, thanks for posting BtoB!!
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    Klecko fits the concept, but hasn't been able to make it work. The gap may be mental, not physical.

    The complexity of the D also explains why BB/SP focus on drafting "smart" players, who can internalize and execute on these concepts.

    This does not eliminate players like Vilma, Merriman and Carpenter from being able to contribute as rookies. BB has always shown the ability to adjust the scheme to fit the limitations of his personnel. But it does underline the importance of having large, athletic and smart talent to run the scheme. And fact is, there aren't many that fit the profile... which is why BB has drafted so few LBs. The philosophy isn't to draft BPA at the position and hope he can adjust; he'll only draft a player if he knows he can handle the job.

    Note that Dallas is now running the same scheme, Cleveland and Miami, too. And probably the Jets, but it's still too soon to know for sure.
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    So the secret is ...

    ... having defensive linemen who can cover, and linebackers who can play nose tackle. Easy! :D
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