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  1. MoLewisrocks

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    We remain at $10.87M under pending Hightower signing.

    Available salary-cap space for all 32 NFL teams - NFL.com
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    Why is Pioli sitting on all that cash in KC?
    Problem is we don't know how many essential expensive players each team has that are needed to be extended etc. this season. Or those that come due next year such that rolling millions fwd is the thing to do.
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    I think the predicted flat caps through 2014 are ample reason to be rolling as much cap forward as possible. Teams that can't will be in some distress just from the simple yearly increases inherent in many contracts. And you can only postpone absorbing those so long. And if you push them too far forward by the time the cap does begin to increase in 2015 you will already have spent it...
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    It's pretty impressive. So far this year the Pats have:

    1. Tendered RFA QB Brain Hoyer at a 2nd round level
    2. Signed UFA RB Joseph Addai
    3. Signed UFA FB Ted Larsen to a 2 year deal
    4. Signed UFA FB Tony Fiammetta
    5. Used the franchise tag on WR Wes Welker
    6. Signed UFA WR Brandon Lloyd to a 3 year deal
    7. Signed UFA WR Jabar Gaffney to a 2 year deal
    8. Re-signed UFA WR Deion Branch
    9. Signed UFA WR Donte Stallworth
    10. Signed UFA WR Jesse Holley
    11. Signed 7th round WR Jeremy Ebert
    12. Extended TE Rob Gronkowski through 2019 in a $54M mega-deal
    13. Signed UFA TE Daniel Fells to a 3 year deal
    14. Claimed TE Jake Ballard off waivers
    15. Re-signed UFA OC Dan Koppen
    16. Re-signed UFA OG/C Dan Connolly to a 3 year deal
    17. Signed UFA OT/OG Robert Gallery
    18. Re-signed ERFA DT Kyle Love
    19. Signed UFA DE/DT Jonathan Fanene to a 3 year deal
    20. Signed UFA DE Travis Scott
    21. Signed 1st round DE Chandler Jones
    22. Signed 3rd round DE Jake Bequette
    23. Signed UFA LB Bobby Carpenter
    24. Re-signed UFA LB Tracy White
    25. Re-signed UDFA LB Niko Koutovides
    26. Signed UFA DB Steve Gregory
    27. Signed UFA DB Will Allen
    28. Signed UFA DB Marquice Cole
    29. Signed 2nd round DB Tavon Wilson
    30. Signed 6th round DB Nate Ebner
    31. Signed 7th round DB Alfonzo Dennard
    32. Signed All Pro ST/WR Matt Slater to a 3 year deal
    33. Signed UDFAs Markus Zusevics, Jeremiah Warren, Brandon Bolden, Brad Herman, Matt Roark, Marcus Forston and Justin Francis

    And they are still almost $11M under the cap, 11th most of all teams in the NFL. And I've probably left off a few signings (I've excluding guys signed and since cut, such as Anthony Gonzales and Bo Scaife). The only major moves on the horizon would be signing Dont'a Hightower and possibly re-signing UFA DE Andre Carter.
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    We are 11th but closer to the bottom then the top.

    Some of that will likely go to Carter and after that your looking at slightly higher than a normal buffer for emergency in season replacements.
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    Not really. If you exclude Jacksonville as an outlier (and statistically they are way outside the curve) then the Pats are quite a bit closer to the top than to the bottom. And if you consider the serious playoff contenders, only Green Bay is in comparable cap shape. Baltimore, New Orleans, Atlanta, San Diego, the Giants, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago and Houston all have $4M (roughly) or less of cap room. The Ravens have virtually no cap space, with Ray Rice a holdout and Joe Flacco wanting a big contract.

    The Pats have been one of the most active teams in the NFL this offseason, adn they are in very good cap shape. It's an impressive.
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    Only problem is they did it largely by restructuring Brady to the tune of $10.8M in bonus and salary converted to signing bonus thus pushing $3.6M per into 2013 and 2014 resulting in remaining cap hits of $21.8M per... Which makes it impossible to tag him once let alone twice down the home stretch and makes it pretty much imperative they get an extension done next Spring.
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    That's 100% true. But do you really think that Brady and the team won't work something out? Brady's has the perfect situation from a football perspective, and he's too smart and too rich to mess it up. He restructured willingly, as he's done many times. I can see the media playing that situation up, but I really can't envision any likelihood of Brady going elsewhere as a UFA.

    I think that if you are going to build a perennial contender in today's NFL then you need (1) certain impact players to be willing to take favorable deals - lucrative perhaps, but still favorable, and (2) a bunch of guys to be willing to accept roles within the context of the team instead of maximizing their personal stats. The Pats seem to be doing as good a job of achieving those 2 things as anyone in the NFL.
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    I still have a gut feeling that Belichick is going to make a trade for a significant player if the opportunity presents itself, a veteran with a big salary on a weaker team such as a Jared Allen. I think that like the 2007 move for Moss he wants to put them completely over the top and dominate the league.
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    They were waaaay under during the uncapped year too if I recall correctly. I'm guessing that's a directive from ownership.
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    I think it reflects the fact that they feel confident they can get a new deal in the next year or so and that they don't plan on tagging him ever again. I honestly believe that Brady is going to retire a Patriot in 5-6 years with at least 2 more rings and the record for wins by a QB.
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    Oh, I never did. I have always said this isn't his last contract and he would get another incremental extension that probably takes him to retirement, 2-3 or more years (for cap purposes) on top of the two that remain. The restructure just means they have to (no tag flexibility come 2015 and because Bill isn't taking a $22M QB cap hit - let alone back to back ones - against a $124M cap) which gives Tom the upper hand leverage wise. And unlike some QB's I trust Tom with the upper hand because he's never been self absorbed and greedy. He will get paid fairly, but he won't be looking to reset the bar exponentially like some guys do.
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    When was Brady tagged?:confused:
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    My mistake, I don't think they will use the tag on Brady.
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    I should know better than to doubt you on matters such as these as you've been proven right over time repeatedly, especially to this matter - but until I see Brady's next contract, I'm of the belief he could take a significant hometown discount, one greater than his first extension.

    He arguably took a slight discount in his most recent re-upping, and at the time he was weighing several factors that pushed him to get about as much as he could: recent traumatic injury put things in perspective; a duty to the NFLPA to help set the bar and get what he deserved; and arguably maybe not seeing dividends from the club for taking less than market the last time he extended (ie, letting Deion Branch go first time around).

    Going into his next - and perhaps final - contract negotiation some of those issues may be gone. What's left is a guy who just wants to win at the end of the day, and might opt to take noticeably less than what he's worth to help facilitate that. Obviously not drastically much less, again, he has always wanted to be compensated in fair range, but maybe less than last time around.
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    Exactly WHO are they paying all that cap to?

    unbelievable; but i guess that is why they will even be behind the jesters in 2012-13.
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    How are the Saints going to afford Brees?
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    By putting it on the old credit card. They aren't going to gain much if any cap space on a deal that averages in the $20M range when his tag hit is already $16M. Unless of course they sign a 6 year deal with a 33 year old QB who reportedly wants it front loaded with close to $70M in hand the first 3 ala Manning's last Indy deal (minus the one sided escape clause). Then they have to hope the cap rises substantially in the backend where they've had to dump amortization on top of high average salary and nothing happens to him in the interim.

    Much like Brady Brees got credit for playing out his $60M deal without biatching. The difference is Tom was always willing to work with this organization to do incremental deals to make each ensuing deal as manageable as possible while Brees never wanted to restructure and extend early because his agent is Tom Condon and he doesn't do discounted deals for any reason. Hell, Manning was likely to miss some if not all of last season in Indy and he still saw $26M up front...

    That happened largely because Condon would never entertain an extension before his last deal played out and because of all the bonus conversions Indy had to do along the way to afford that deal early on they were in a situation where his tag was in that range already. The deal structure allowed Indy to take a $16M cap hit in 2011 and only be left to absorb $10M in dead cap atop a rookie QB's cap hit (because they amortized his option bonus in advance and were credited when it wasn't exercised). The tradeoff was he saw $26M in year 1 and would have seen a record breaking $23.4M per average in the first three. That is the number Brees/Condon is again attempting to approach.

    The Saints caught a break this season when the tags all dropped by roughly $2M. But they just lost whatever leverage that gained them in the artibrator's ruling that any means not each but all. The Saints thought they could tag him twice at less than $20M per for a two year average cost of $18M. Now a second tag by them becomes a third lifetime tag at 144% or $23M for a two year average cost of almost $20M per. And the new debate will be can he even be tagged by NO a third time which would be at $28M which would bring the three year average up to almost $23M. That pretty much dictates that if they want any kind of cap flexibility it starts out with Drew averaging $20M+ and seeing more than three times that in the first three (Manning was going to see $70M). Otherwise he will roll the dice.
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    Still need to give Welker a real long term deal...
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    It's the middle to high cap hits that are screwing over the Phins right now.

    Here is the list of Patriots with a $3M or higher cap hit next season:
    Wes Welker
    Jerod Mayo
    Vince Wilfork
    Tom Brady
    Logan Mankins
    Stephen Gostkowski ($3.08M)

    And here is the same list for the Phins:
    Jake Long
    Karlos Dansby
    Reggie Bush
    Kevin Burnett
    Randy Starks
    Richie Incognito
    Anthony Fasano
    Tony McDaniel
    Paul Soliai
    Matt Moore
    Richard Marshall
    David Garrard
    Jared Odrick ($3.1M)
    Davone Bess ($3.03M)

    Compare what it takes to earn $3M a year on the Patriots vs what it takes to earn $3M a year for the Phins. Then laugh :rofl:

    Patriots:
    7/7 Pro Bowl
    7/7 All Pro
    6/7 With team entire career

    Dolphins:
    3/14 Pro Bowl for team
    1/14 Pro Bowl with previous team (Garrard)
    1/14 All Pro
    3/14 With team entire career
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    Sorry for the naive questions, but...

    1) do the 7/1/2012 salary cap numbers reflect tendered contracts and signed contracts, or just signed contracts?

    2) what is the penalty for not using 90% of your salary cap?

    The New Orleans Saints look like their management of the cap is as bad as their coaching staff - only $2.3 million in cap room with a QB unsigned and not willing to sign his franchise tag tender of $23.6 million for 2012-13.

    And what is with Jacksonville being 20% under?

    I like the Pats being at $10 million under - not subject to the luxury tax or whatever they call it in the NFL - and well-stocked at every position. They still have some cash to throw at other team's cuts. It also gives them a few samolians to sweeten the Wes Welker signing bonus in addition to a whatever they agree to in terms of length and guarantee.
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    I'm pretty sure that the franchise tag cap hit is applied as soon as the tender is offered. So New Orleans' current cap situation includes the $23.6M franchise tender. Any long term deal for Brees would presumably reduce that amount.
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    Brees tag this season (2012) is just $16.37M. The $23.6M tag would be what they could hit him with next season (2013) because of the any third time (which is now 144%) ruling.
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    You are confusing cap and cash on Welker. In the NFL they are not one in the same. That said the Patriots have enough of each to do pretty much whatever they want. But they are wary of the flat cap and proceeding accordingly. They also have a QB to deal with whose cap hits in 2013 and 2014 will be $21.8M due to a restructure that saved them several million against this year's cap unless they get an extension restructure done sometime early in 2013. That restructure will cost them a good chunk of cash to gain some flexibility in structuring cap hits over the remainder of Brady's career.
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    I don't think the Pats would ever let Brady play on a franchise tag whether it was affordable or not. Either they are going to feel he has enough left and pay him a reasonable (to him) salary or they are going to move on, IMHO.

    I think Brady wanted the respect (money) in this last contract, but will realize that he is reaching the end of the line at age 37 (at the start of the 2015 season) and not want to finish his career like Montana or Favre and being a gun for hire with another team. He will want to end his career as a Patriot unless maybe the 49ers needed a QB.

    But looking at the NYJetscap site, the Pats only have $11 millions committed to the cap in 2015. So the Pats could easily fit a franchise tag number for Brady under that. :D
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    From what I remember reading, you have to pay up the difference to the players already on the roster.
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    Just thinking about what the Pats might do with a possible Brady extension. Is it against league rules to give Brady something like a 10 year deal that would pay him something like $16MM/yr in real cash during his actual playing time, lets say the next 5 years, and pays him lesser amounts (say $5MM/yr) the last 5 years that he'd never see. That way the Pats can prorate his deal over the course of 10 years instead of 5. The end result would be a deal that would average only $8MM in cap cost during his actual playing time, and have a one year dead money hit at a time when the cap should be starting to rise.

    The question is would the league allow this kind of deal which obvious goes beyond Brady's expected playing career?
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    Thanks for the correction. I didn't bother to check what the current cap hit was.
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    There is no prohibition against ten year deals, but the reality is you can only amortize over 5 years so for it to work you would have to have a series of options or roster bonuses that aren't guaranteed out of the gate. And at the end of the day Tom isn't going to play that game and neither is this team. They just want fair and cost certainty. Can't pay him more once he hangs them up, just ask the Broncos (they were penalized twice for trying that back in the early days of the cap...). And don't want a truly crippling two year dead cap hit in the double digits.

    I could see them going with a another 3-4 year extension in order to maximize amortization. It's not the end of the world to take a fairly substantial one year dead cap hit when your HOF QB rides off into the sunset (or lands in Denver). The Colts are taking a one year $10M dead cap hit on Manning this season, but still not paying as much for the position with that and Luck on the cap as they did in Manning's prime.

    What you need to wrap your head around though is they don't need Brady at an $8M cap hit. If they can keep him in the $15-18M cap hit range over the next 3-4 years and not top $20M against the cap until maybe 2016-17 or so they'd be fine with that. Having two remaining seasons on his current deal that averages around $15M+ because it too was an incremental early extension with years remaining will allow them to be flexible with amortization. Brees is trying to make that impossible by pushing for more than a $20M AAV and upwards of $65-70M guaranteed. Because he is a Condon client and Condon always strives to reset the bar. Rogers will be up again next (a Dunn client like Welker and Hernandez), followed shortly by Stafford and Eli (both Condon clients) so we shall see.
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    First, thanks for answering the questions about the cap.

    A couple of reactions - on the Saints's Brees dilemma, they are a mess, and being within 1.5% of their cap for 2012-13 not only limits what they can do this year, it really hamstrings them in doing a deal with Brees that pays him what he is worth no matter how you try to backload the bonus money. It will be very interesting to see if those guys circle the wagons and kick ass this year or completely implode. I understand it is entirely different circumstances, but when the Patriots were punished and humiliated by the league, the players united and kicked serious ass. It will be interesting to see if Brees has the leadership skills to do that or focuses on his contract and takes big money while the team disintegrates.

    On Welker, I was not confusing the tag, salary, bonuses and the cap. He counts $9.5 against the cap this year (his tag number), and they have $10 million unaccounted for against the cap.

    You take those two numbers and there is lots to work with in 2012-13 in a new deal that either just adds a couple of years to his franchise year with a signing bonus, or restructures a three-year deal. The July 1, 2012 cap for the Patriots gives both sides negotiating room which I think the Patriots needed. It also suggests they'll have a little money around to snag somebody else's waived players once injuries take their toll and guys show up out of shape for camp which is a perennial disappointment.

    Once again, the Pats enter camp with talent, depth, experience and some money in the cash drawer. We are so lucky to be closely following this franchise.
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