Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by BadMoFo, Apr 3, 2013.
I've been wondering what's up with him.
This makes me think Cruz might be in play.
Expect much gnashing of teeth around here if he signs there for a reasonable contract.
Sorry, not a chance.
This just goes to show that our Brass are absolutely clueless when it comes on to WR evaluation. Seriously Julian Edelman is the only Drafted WR *though* he is coverted QB who actually showed something on the Field since Deion Branch and David Givens many many many you'all got the point moons ago. Why wouldn't you offer him a reasonable contract? BB is not Immortal his reasonings as a GM can be questioned. I am still surprised that we wern't players for Wallace and Jennings in early FA. Knowing this Teams current track record at the position I am sure NONE of us want to go through the growing pains of a Rookie WR. If this Team doesn't have a plan B for a Proven WR via a Trade BB the GM should be tarred and feathered!
He wouldn't have beaten out Jones, Ebert or Molasses Mike anyway. Plus, punts were locking-in on him. Good riddance I say!
I'd be surprised if Edleman has been offered anything more than league minimum. They let Woodhead go under similar circumstances. The talk about Cruz is nonsense. There is no plan B. Belichick intends to build his wide receiving corps from minimum salary free agents and UDFAs.
Victor Cruz was not a "proven" WR in 2011. Your whining is silly.
Ebert interests me. But maybe that's me just being a complete overly optimistic Ollie.
Perhaps because, seemingly every season, the guy shatters like a flower dipped in liquid nitrogen and then banged on the ground?
Did you see the contracts that they both got? If you think that paying Wallace $13M per year is a good move, then just say that outright so that I can go ahead and put you on ignore.
Re: being clueless at WR evaluation, they were the only team that thought Moss was worth a 4th in 2007, and the only team that thought Welker was worth a 2nd the same year. Doesn't sound like cluelessness to me. All of the guys that they've drafted in the interim have been 50/50 flyers at best, on a tiny sample size, so while the results have been disappointed I'm not dumb enough to dismiss their entire philosophy based on such flimsy evidence. People like you were saying the same thing about Belichick drafting tight ends (and more credibly, too) right up until Gronk and Hernandez were picked.
As for Edelman, I'd like for the Pats to keep him around, even if it's strictly as a punt returner and backup to Amendola, with an outside (slim) chance at maybe continuing to develop into something more. Both of those roles have some value, and I doubt that he'll sign for enough to price himself out of that role. I won't be heartbroken if he leaves, though - he's had plenty of time to prove that he's part of the solution at WR, and he hasn't been able to do so.
Ya the Pats losing his whooping 17 rec 178 yards 1 TD a season is really gonna hurt them.
The fact that you are surprised they weren't in on overpaid Mike Wallace and a starting to breakdown Greg Jennings proves your ignorance.
I really hope for your health that you don't make this big of a deal about all of the other little things in your life.
He is the Dowling of wr's. Break a leg.
Whiners be whining
How do you spell J-A-G?
Good player but we wouldn't have a problem replacing him.
april fools has passed
What? You mean we aren't getting BOTH Edelman and Llyod to come crawling back? There are actually other NFL teams who may be interested in their services on the cheap? I'm shocked I tell you...
Edelman will produce if he signs anywhere. The 'JAG' and 'china' crowd are deluded.
He's seemingly injured every year, except when he's defending Anquan Boldin better than Marquice Cole, a real CB in 2011's AFCCG.
And while he may not be Wes Welker, he's certainly no JAG either.
I think the writing has been on the wall for a couple of weeks now, due to the contractual window being rather small. It's not like he's asking for several million dollars a year and NE was only willing to sign him on the league minimum. There can't be too much of a huge gap in potential compensation, but as we already know every penny counts.
I would have preferred to have him stay to return punts (rather than see Amendola do it) and backup our slot/short passing option in case Amendola goes down for a few games or more. The cost would not have been much, and he still provides valuable insurance and ST ability. Apparently Bill Belichick does not agree with me and sees those positions as already being taken.
Anyone who honestly and sincerely felt that both Llyod and Edelman would have "zero interest" and would end up coming back to Foxborough begging for their NFL careers was either an insane homer, ignorant, or part of both. I'm all for either one of them coming back for different reasons, but the honest to God's chances of them both suddenly crawling back here were astronomically slim...
History has already proven otherwise.
No, he's seemingly injured every year. His game totals verify that.
69 receptions in 4 seasons. That's just over 17 receptions a year. Sam Aiken caught more than that in 2009, so let's not act as if JE's been anything more than a JAG outside of special teams, because he hasn't.
I wish him well in his future endeavors, be they in New England or elsewhere, but pretending he's been more than he's been does nobody any good.
Like most issues, the truth always lies in the middle.
He certainly isn't a very good outside receiver as some make him out to be. That said, he probably isn't as low as a JAG either and does have potential and talent in the punt return game, for gadget plays, and as a backup to Amendola.
Either way it doesn't matter because Belichick obviously doesn't agree with him coming back for too much money--if at all...and that has been more than apparent now for awhile.
Neither Edelman nor Lloyd are A-1 wide receivers. The trouble is Belichick
does not have any adequate replacements. At this late date, it is unlikely
they will be replaced by a veteran free agent and BB has had no success
for 10 years in drafting a good one.
It is interesting that the coaching staff was effusive in their praise of Edelman.
If they don't resign Edelman I'll be pissed.
There's 'Dowling' seemingly injured every year, and standard fare ST player injured here and there every year.
Last I heard, ST play was pretty important. We signed a specialist KR. Edelman is one of the best PR in the game.
Whatever your evaluations of him, I'm not confident his replacement will be anywhere as good.
I agree that it would good to re-sign Edelman. However, it is Washington who will return kicks and punts as he did last year.
I like what Edes can bring to the Pats in STs and versatility. Hate to lose a charter member of The Glass Menagerie.
if we had an adequate replacement I woulndt really care if Edelman left.
but right now we have JAGs like Jones/Jenkins as our #2 WR
and lets not act like Belichick always knows what he is doing with positions...2011 with Safety is a solid example...of bill cutting any "semi decent" safety on the team and filling the position with JAGs and UDFA
if amendola/gronk/hernandez stay healthy a whole season and a drafted WR has a solid rookie year with 500-600yards 3-4TDs then we'll be fine...but that seems like asking alot
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