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    From the New York Times, yet more evidence that the stimulus package was successful in warding off a much steeper depression.

    Some relevant quotes:

    Economic Scene - Success of Stimulus Bill Is Noteworthy as Another Is Weighed - NYTimes.com

    So now we have everyone from the New York Times to the American Enterprise Institute has concluded that the stimulus bill was a successful and necessary measure. I wonder if expert consensus will be enough to change perceptions amongst our very own Flat Earth Society on this forum?
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    6% of the American people think the stimulus created any jobs. About the same % believe the world is flat welcome to the club.

    :singing::rolleyes:
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    So the fact that Americans are misinformed is dispositive of the stimulus' failure how, exactly?
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    Since the first 'stimulus' was an abject failure why do it again?

    The American people believe it didn't work they are correct, more poeple are birthers than believe the stimulus worked.
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    Good lord.

    Did you even read either article? The stimulus was not an abject failure, and the article you linked doesn't even support the assertion you're trying to make.

    As for the American people believing the stimulus was a failure? Only 2 in 5 Americans can name all three branches of government. Half believe the President has the authority to suspect the Constitution. 70 percent don't know what Roe v. Wade is about, and a quarter can't name who we fought in the Revolutionary War. 20 percent of Americans can't find the US on a map and think the sun revolves around the earth. Only 10 percent can name the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

    So what's your point?
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    Well the administration assured us that with the Stimumus unemployment wouldn't >8%, now we find that we lost almost a million MORE jobs than they had thought.

    Why would any sane person think that another payoff to public employee unions would cause any hiring in the private sector?

    BTW typical lib thinking the American people are stupid and need to be ordered around by the elites.
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    And this is relevant to the effectiveness of the stimulus how, exactly?

    Yeah, keeping police, firefighters, and teachers in their jobs. What were they thinking :rolleyes:

    Uh, way to miss the point. The American people are demonstrably ill-informed when it comes to politics. That's just a fact. The point I was making is that their impressions of the stimulus bill are utterly irrelevant when judging its success or lack thereof. Citing public opinion as evidence of its alleged failure is beyond weak and would be summarily dismissed in any high school-level civics class.
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    The stimulus was supposed to keep unemployent <8% it was over 10%, that's with the number of unemployed being underestimated by 1,000,000, by the standard the administration set the stimulus failed.
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    You're simply wrong. That's all there is to say.

    The administration misjudged the severity of the recession. As did almost every major economist/think tank/government entity. If anything, by citing the severity of the recession as evidence the stimulus failed, you're only unwittingly confirming the necessity of the bill to stave off even more dire economic conditions.
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    #12 Jersey

    The NYT trying to spin a story in Obama's favor? This is my shocked face. :eek:
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    Well, sure, when you make up your own statistics (such as the never-before-heard-of "jobs saved") then it is quite easy to make the figures which support whatever conclusion you want.
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    Ah yes, the old "I'm right, and if you disagree with me, you're wrong!" response, with absolutely nothing to support the contention at hand. Also known as "The JackBauer Maneuver." :rofl:
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    That's the best you can do? Really? A weak ad hominem to discredit the source instead of addressing the facts discussed in the article?

    Typical. Pathetic, but hardly surprising. It's always a fallback for people when the facts aren't on their side.
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    Did you even read the article? And that's beyond the fact that "jobs saved" is not unique to the Obama administration. Your rank ignorance of history is manifesting itself once again.

    Please explain what motive IHS, MA, and Moody's would have in massaging the data to show that the stimulus was a success.
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    This coming from the guy who was ignorant enough to claim Jimmy Carter was the worst president of all time. Then, when shown to be wildly and ludicrously off-base, you pulled your usual disappearing act rather than face the fact that you were wrong, as usual, yet again. I'm surprised you even have the temerity to show up here anymore.

    To address your "point," way to snip the post to cut out the second paragraph, where I string the logic chain together to illustrate how self-evidently ludicrous pf13's criticism was. Not to mention that it was discussed in previous posts in this thread.
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    Economists agree:

    Exclusive: Obama stimulus reduced our pain, experts say - USATODAY.com
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    Hey Jack 6% of the American people believe the stimulus created jobs, this in spite of the spin from the MSM pimping the dems plan, 7% believe Elvis is alive.


    Jack, Do you think Elvis is alive or that there are secret bases on the moon?

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