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  1. cupofjoe1962

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    Judge's personal life debated after gay ruling - Yahoo! News

    I could care less about this subject.
    I do not have to pick up the tab, for their weddings, so I am on record
    supporting gay marriage.

    Why should I stand in the way of someone's happiness.

    I also do dioubt that if I live to be 115, I will be invited to a gay wedding.

    I do feel that if the judge is gay, he should excuse himself from
    this case.
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    I heard that this was one of the reasons they filed in his district so that as chief he could rule on this himself. I think that ultimately this will go to SCOTUS and too much celebration on either side is premature (especially in reading the judge's findings).
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    The Judge knew what he was doing, he is now one of the Homosexual Communitys BIGGEST HERO'S

    (free drinks wherever he goes)

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    What was the sexual orientation of justices of the California Supreme Court??

    What is the sexual orientation of the people that led the opposition to this bill??

    In the long run it makes no difference, he is openly gay... and when initially appointed the left felt that he was too conservative for them, and too conservative about gay issues.. Pelosi opposed his appointment.
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    I think it is a storyline, just as the initial opposition was one. But the real story are the judge's findings and if they hold up upon review.
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    Little more than a storyline, it is the topic of this post..
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    Just another example of the mindset that anybody who isn't a white male Christian must be biased

    Unless the judge had a marriage put in question by prop 8, or had actively sought to get married and been prevented due to prop 8, his being gay is irrelevant

    This is like saying a judge should recuse himself from a case involving corporations and SOX because he owned equities in the public markets.
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    So any judge that listens to the radio should recuse himself from any FCC cases.
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    So any judge's wife who is active in a Tea Party PAC, should recuse himself from any dealings regarding issues related to that topic????
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    Brietbart's scouring the internet right now looking to see if he can find a picture of him playing softball:rolleyes:
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    nah, that would only be for Kagan. "ordinary guys" play softball (they just aren't very good. :) )
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    If he can't find one, he and O'Keefe will photoshop it...
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    Agreed, this decision was a no-win whether you had a gay judge or a straight one making the ruling. Either way somebody was not going to be happy and blame it on the judge's sexual orientation for however they decided, whether justified or not.
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    As a matter of fact Bush I appointed this judge...
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    Most gay people know plenty of heterosexuals support gay marriage, so I don't think much blame would have been placed on the judge being hetero were things reversed.
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    This judge was originally appointed by Reagan on the recommendation of Edwin Meese, and was opposed vociferously by former Sen. Alan Cranston, among others.

    If you don't like it, perhaps you should take it up with the Republicans who fought for his nomination in the first place.
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    Hmmm, So a republican president appointed a homosexual judge that winds up overturning the CA gay marriage ban that our Democrat President supports. put that on a bumper sticker:p
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    I know, it happens a lot, all politics, the hell with the people.
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    Say that three times fast. :p
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    I have to disagree with the white aspect Chico. When a soldier is sent to military court, we hear all the time about how the military will be more lenient than civilian courts, because of the defendant being "one of their own". When we see an issue with Bud Selig, we hear about how he'll side with the owners because "he's one of them". Anytime there's an obvious connection of interest between one of the parties in a case, and the determining power, questions of bias are raised. The questions, or general connection of interest, don't mean that the person involved can't objectively adjudicate the case, but they are worthy of acknowledgement. This isn't a white person thing, as much as it's a special, or a like interest group thing. People raise questions of bias all the time, and it's not just white heterosexual male evil redneck bible bopping christian people who do so. Again though, none of the potential for bias, means that there will be bias. At least that's how I feel.
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    Very tricky thing appointing Judges to the courts, they never show their true colors until "they're in"

    Kagan may surprise the liberals.
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    Wait a minute. Sotomayor boasted that she could make better decisions regarding her minority because she could empathize with them and all the left jumped right on board with that. At the time I argued that justice was supposed to be blind only to get lectured that it sounds good but it wasn’t realistic and that that she leveled the playing field with her background….which was a good thing. Now of a sudden justice is blind again and his gay sexual orientation could not have made any difference in a gay sexual orientation rights case?
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    What I'm saying is a little different than that, and I'm not saying that only white male Christians are guilty of it.

    Many people in this country seem to think that a point of view that isn't from the majority must be biased, or have greater potential for bias. The implication is that the white male Christian (and hetero) view is the standard or unbiased point of view. We saw this with some of the questions and comments during (Sotomayor's or Kagan's, I forget which, and it's not worth the time to start googling) confirmation hearings, as a recent example.

    If you want to point to potential bias, you could find that on virtually every case any judge hears. But sharing some characteristics with a group doesn't mean the potential for bias is so great that the judge should recuse himself -- yet that is what many people are now saying w/regard to this case.
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    One thing at a time here. First, did I ever lecture you on that? Pretty sure I didn't.

    I don't know where "empathy" comes into play when interpreting and applying the Constitution.

    As for Sotomayor, her claim about making better decisions as a minority was indefensible. otoh, the possibility that having a different background than others on the bench does have some validity, imo

    Finally, I didn't say that his sexual orientation couldn't make any difference. I'm saying that the presumption that it must have, or was likely enough that he should have recused himself, is based on a point of view that itself is biased. His sexual orientiation could make a difference, yes. So could a heterosexual's. As I just mentioned to RealWorld, we can find "potential" for bias in any judge on any case.
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    Well, I was also pretty sure you didn't too but I guess I was just using your contention to re-argue my position back when Sotomeyor was being considered. I actually agree with you and wish you had been around back then for some support.
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    Sorry, man. I'm not sure, but I probably wasn't too active in any of those threads. I tend to find justice confirmations pretty boring b/c of how much the partisan bickering takes over. (Something that I'm increasingly bored with across pretty much all issues, to be honest.)
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    "mommy"
    "yes dear"
    "who's that man with the judge"
    "thats his wife"
    "oh"

    california voter over there>>>>>>>>>>>>:bricks:
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    I guess in this case you could say that politics makes...............strange bedfellows......
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    So, I take it you feel when this reaches the Supreme Court the straight justices should also excuse themselves?

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