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    I think theres virtually no chance Josh remains with this team next season,The way the offense is simply toying with its competition all season is putting Josh high up on other teams looking for a new HC next season.

    While I think Josh is an o.k. OC and in reality a product of the talented players he has to work with,He still will probably be top dog on the list for teams wanting to change thier fortunes next year like St. Louis,Washington,San Diego,Houston and even possibly Miami if Huizenga gets embarrassed with an 0-16 campaign but I think he will probably keep Cam around for another season so I think there still are several teams wanting to take Josh away like those I mentioned.

    I think San Diego will definately fire Norv shortly after this campaign unless the Chargers somehow find a way to get serious in/if they make the playoffs.

    That leaves the chance that Josh may end up in San Diego and Norv would be available for a position in the NFL,If Norv does become available and Josh leaves would it be a good move to get Norv as OC?

    Norv has been a horrid HC but a very good OC

    Should this scenerio happen,Would you want Norv in charge of this offense?
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Huh???? I think Josh is smarter than that...in time HE WILL leave not now..
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    If the money and opportunity are there - Which I am sure there are since this may be the most potent offense in NFL History,That will surely spell big bucks for Josh on the market for teams looking for a HC.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    There is no way, IMO, that Josh McDaniel will be a HC next year. He may be on his way to getting some consideration in the next few years, but it is way too soon.
    To answer your other question, no, I do not want Norv Turner here. We would promote from within. Mangurian would be my guess.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Big bucks means nothing to some..a lure..but if the money is there now..it will be later...I think he stays...
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    I'm not doubting that teams will be interested. The question, though, is will JMcD be interested in being a HC right now? I'm not convinced that he is (honestly, he must be having one heck of a good time right now. . . .).

    And, at this point, Norv Turner is box office poison in my book.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Norv Turner will never be brought in. It simply wont happen. There are several reasons for this, but bottom line is not a chance.

    As for Josh, I dont think he's ready yet, though that probably wouldnt stop some team from going after him. But, I think he'll stay here for atleast a couple more years. He still has alot to learn, Im sure he'll be compensated enough to prevent that from happening, he's probably pretty happy with his situation, and Im sure he recognizes how special this team is, and how it just cant get any better. He'll have a long career. No reason to move on just yet. jmho.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Norv Turner????????????????????????? Absolutely not. Puhleaze. McDaniels would be foolish to leave now. What's the rush? He will be able to get a job anytime he wants over the next 3-5 years. Why not stick around and add a couple super bowl rings to his coaching resume the same way Belichick got a couple as the DC for the Giants? McDaniels is younger than Brady for crying out loud. He has plenty of time to become a head coach and I'm sure he can still learn a lot more things from the master. I don't think he is going anywhere, but maybe I'm being naive.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    I am not so sure about that,Remember Oakland had interest in McDaniels in the offseason LAST year and that was BEFORE this incredible season and with an offense last year led by Reche Caldwell at WR and that includes questionable offensive play calls all of last season from Josh in 2006.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    only problem he cant take , belicheck, brady, moss, o line, welker,stallworth,watson, schemes and plays are good , but just ask, romeo, mangini and weiss, hes very young and i think my 5 year old could call the plays for this team, if he goes hes replacable, ill be worried when the players leave
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Not sure I'd say "likely" that Josh will be gone. There's some veteran HC candidates out there in Cowher and Schottenheimer and other assistants who will be looking very good like Jason Garrett (Dallas OC) and Chudzinski (Cle OC) who have had terrific seasons but without Brady.

    So I'm not sure I buy the premise although it's possible. 50-50 at best I think.

    Anyway, who knows. Turner is well respected but I expect Belichick would want someone like McDaniels who would run Belichick's offense and Turner may not be interested. I'm a little surprised Belichick hasn't hired a young QB coach to work under McDaniels.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    That's like saying:
    Kraft will likely become a GM next season (With the Redskins) - Spurrier a good replacement?
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Ditto on Turner, wouldn't want to see his face on the Patriots sideline. Josh will be sought after at some point as you say since he's part of the Belichick tree. I wouldn't know when.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Maybe that would be redundant with Brady on the team? Saves a headcount to be used somewhere else.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Right, I was meaning more in terms of an OC in training than the actual need for a QB coach.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Bingo!!! The value of the NE offense is the Players not Josh Mcdaniel
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    I don't see McDaniels leaving. I think he will wait for the right opportunity and I don't know if it is out there. The fact that the Pats are probably going to go to the Super Bowl will hurt his chances too.

    I'm sorry, but it is a myth that coaching opportunities are few and far between. Every year, there are at least 5 spots open and upwards to 8 or 9. Every year, McDaniels will be on a short list of candidates.

    I think McDaniels will look at Mangini and see how much he is over his head and realize waiting a year or two more learning at the side of Belichick will do him a world of good. The opportunities will be there as long as he has Brady as his QB. McDaniels will ask himself would he rather be a head coach for 3-4 years or two decades. That could be the difference if he jumps too soon.

    Mangini has a good chance of being out of the NFL after next season. Unless the Jets finish really strong and end up 6-10 or 7-9, Mangini starts next year on the hotseat. It seems pretty evident to me that his inexperience is a big reason why he is in the position he is in. People can blame the talent, but the talent produced this past Sunday. Even then, Mangini's coaching almost blew it for the Jets with him stupidily having Clemens spiking the ball late in the fourth.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    The Pats develop from within. Even Pees was a positional coach with the Pats before he replaced Mangini as the DC.

    There is no way the Pats bring in Turner to be the OC.

    I believe that McDaniels KNOWS he's not ready to be a HC and has seen how Mangini has fallen and how Mangini has burned the bridges back to Belichick.

    I expect McDaniels to be the OC for at least 1 more year before he starts considering a HC position.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Where do you come up with these threads?

    Seriously.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Well, if the rumors are true, McDaniels was on Oakland's short list last year.

    Just a minor point here, but McDaniels is actually a year older than Brady. And, in one of those weird twists of fate, at John Carroll University, McDaniels was a wide receiver playing for quarterback Nick Caserio, who is now the Pats' WR coach.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    I think Mangini coming back to earth with a thud and struggles by Cam Cameron and Lane Kiffin teams are going to be looking for a little more seasoning in their coaches.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Totally agree. McDaniels is an idiot if he leaves. He needs another year or two of seasoning.
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    Oh brother..... The players on the field might have something to do with why we are so good.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    I think the fact that Belichick WANTS his assistants not to be held back but STILL wisely told Mangini he should wait one more year and/or for a better situation to open up is telling. I think his advice to McDaniels will be informed by that experience, and by what Mangini ultimately has gone through. I think McDaniels' hearing of that advice will also be informed by the debacle he's seeing go down over in jersey, and I think he will do whatever Belichick advises.

    He'll get an HC job down the line, but the fact that the Raiders had him on a short-list isn't that persuasive to me. JOSH will decide to wait, and should. And hey, if I'm wrong and he doesn't, we'll have no problem finding someone to run the offense and, hopefully, eventually achieving the kind of sync Josh has come to establish.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    I agree. Josh is not the only hot candidate out there, so there's going to be competition. However, if it turns out that after this year he really is offered a NFL HC job, my feeling is that he will take it. Foolish to not take the money, and there's nothing to lose other than going back to being an OC if his HC tenure doesn't go right. The only way BB would be pissed off by it is if Josh does the major sins Mangini did (coach a division rival, poach assistants). Just hope an NFC team hires him.

    As for Norv, no way. BB at worst if he can't hire from within he will grab an assistant from a closely related tree like Coughlin's.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    if he leaves one of the assistants will become the OC. BB looks ahead so i think wouldve had a contingency plan in place.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    When you hire an outside OC or DC it's to install an offense because as a HC you don't have one because of your own prior experience or inclination, or the one you have isn't working.

    We already have one and contrary to what many here think it was never Charlie Weiss's offense, it was Bill's. He tapped Charlie to coordinate it (as he did RAC on defense) because he knew that was a guy he could work with to flush out his vision. Now that it is firmly established, he will always opt for continuity with the brightest guy available to continue tweeking it to his liking getting the nod. Josh was apparently that guy 3 years ago (as was Mangini on D), which is why Brian Daboll left to seek advancement with the pseudo genius who also thought as a rookie DC he knew better than Bill as his QB coach (thinking that would launch him to OC) and Jeff Davidson opted to follow RAC as an OL coach and a brief stint as acting OC (though he has since moved on to Carolina for an OC position).

    Bill will never hold them back if he thinks they are both ready and deserving. Because that is what Tuna did to him - try to cling. He will judge them in part by how they approach their opportunities. He would likely not be as interested in them if, say like Dante, they lacked HC'ing ambition only at such an early age. But he also realizes if they are almost irrationally impatient, as was Eric, there is probably an underlying character flaw like impatience and inflated ego.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    FWIW, on that D&C interview in which Brady talked about the running-up-the-score comments, Brady said that JMcD plans to stick with Brady for a while. He also said that he's not planning on letting McDaniels go anytime soon, either. :)
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    The money and opportunity isn't going to be there. He's not going to be a HC next year. This board is the only place he's ever been mentioned as an imminent hire as an HC.
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    Re: Josh McDaniels will likely become a HC next season - Norv Turner a good replacem

    Remember when Brian Billick was an Offensive Genius bc he was the OC of the Vikings record-setting team?

    Then he went to Baltimore.

    And proceeded to shepard one of the worst NFL offenses of the last decade.

    Sometimes the players make the coaches. That is clearly the case here with Josh. If some GM is dumb enough to pay him money to be a head coach, he can go right ahead.

    They could bring anyone on to run this offense.
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