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  1. mgteich

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    Does Josh know how to evaluate receivers? I think that he does. We can only ask that he does nearly as well with patriot draftees as he did with Thomas and Decker.
     
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    If the Patriots put the drafting and development of Wide Receivers in McDaniels' hands, I have every faith he'll know what to do.
     
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    I let the Chad Jackson thing slide. Which i'm not even sure he had any say in it.

    But every other year he was the coordinator they never drafted a receiver except last year when they took Ebert in the 7th.

    I think this time around Josh has pull to tell Bill he disagrees with him on offensive skill players and who knows maybe from here on out all the offense skill players will be Josh's choices. So if Bill is sitting there in the 1st round and he wants to go with a WR maybe it will be Josh's call on who the receiver is or at least one they both agree on.
     
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    Even if he did have any say in it, it was the right decision to make at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 of course and of course we know now that it wasn't. But if the decision were between he and Greg Jennings then they made the right choice based on the drafting principles that usually applies with WRs. Jackson was the bigger, faster, stronger and overall more athletically gifted prospect of the two and offered a lot of things that Jennings did not in that regard.

    As I stated in another thread, when drafting WR you always want to pick the more talented player at the time if given a choice between two similarly graded prospects. Coming out of college Jackson was definitively more talented than Jennings, and his ceiling was higher. Because of this, I don't snide McDaniels or whomever for the pick at all. The player never lived up to his potential, sometimes that's on the coaches but more or less its on the player in all likelihood. Its not the coaching staff's fault that the player chose to not work as hard after getting paid like an NFL player than before when they weren't getting paid at all. Money changes people sometimes, though it is up to coaching staff to find out whether a player will have the correct motivations after being drafted.

    Flip the script and have the Patriots draft Jennings instead and what if he flames out or fails to grasp this offense, etc., whilst Jackson goes on to having a solid career in Green Bay or elsewhere? Then the story is why didn't the Patriots draft the obviously more talented player. Hindsight is 20/20. Moreover, the exact scenario above has been playing out in reality in recent years. Since the Jackson failed experiment occurred the Patriots have actually gone away from that drafting principle almost as if once bitten, twice shy. It's seemingly what made them draft lesser talented players like Brandon Tate over Mike Wallace and Taylor Price over Antonio Brown in recent years. Tate's selection was somewhat understandable given his return skills but Price was an utter failure waiting to happen from day 1. Sometimes it works out whilst other times it does not. But more often than not, I believe you always draft the more talented receiver and live with it after that. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

    When given the freedom to do so, McDaniels seemingly stuck to that philosophy in Denver and landed them one the best WR tandems in the league in Decker and Thomas. He likely picked Demaryius over Dez Bryant and Arrelious Benn because he's the more physically gifted player than two those are - though it could easily be argued that Bryant is and was the better receiver then who only fell that far down the draft due to character concerns. Likewise for Decker, who was picked above JAGs like Andre Roberts, Armanti Edwards, and the immortal Taylor Price. Decker is the best athlete of that group and is a noticeably bigger receiver than the rest. McDaniels was clearly aiming for the best physical talents in that 2010 draft WR class and it paid off. Chad Jackson was no different, unfortunately it didn't pay off. In the end I'd rather they take a chance on a guy and hope for the best than pass him over due to some fear of failure and take a lesser talented guy who will probably end up cut and failure anyways because was never that good to begin with.

    OT; for mgteich's original question: Yes, McDaniels knows his receivers pretty well and hopefully they get back to that philosophy of best talent available in New England.
     
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    McDaniels gets blamed for Jackson by his haters, but he had nothing to do with that selection. Brian Daboll, not McDaniels, scouted Jackson (and Daboll was against drafting him). Belichick scouted Jackson too in his frequent trips to Florida. Urban Meyers was the one who pushed Jackson on Belichick. It was all documented in War Room by Michael Holley.

    For all of McDaniels' mistakes in Denver, drafting WRs wasn't one of them.
     
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    Josh's biggest challenge will be maintaining the best offense in the league
    with the two bit wide receivers like Jones and Jenkins that Belichick is signing.

    I will be quite surprised if Belichick invests a top three pick in a wide receiver
    More likely, he will sign five UDFA wide receivers.
     
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    McDaniels, minus Tebow, actually did a really good job in Denver drafting. He gets too cute calling a game at times, but what I was most excited about was having him back to help with drafting. In the Broncos Tebow upset over the Steelers, the Tebow draft had IIRC 7 starters on the team, including several big time contributers that had monster games.
     
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    You're welcome. :rolleyes:

    I'm the one that was harping for BB to let McD pick his wr's in the draft.

    He IS better than BB in that area.
     
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    You forgot about Moreno? He was another gaffe.

    McD does know his wr's though. At least more than BB does.
     
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    How much of a say would Chad O'Shea have in evaluating the WR prospects?
     
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    Moreno looked pretty damn good last season.

    But I do agree that for the most part he's been a disappointment.

    McDaniels is a good drafter, even the best at it sometimes slip up.
     
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    Yep. Last year Moreno did do a good job filling in.
     
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    McDaniels biggest challenge is finally taking the high power offenses that he assembles and actually winning a SB with them. 14 and 17 points aren't going to cut it.
     
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    Just note that the 17 point output in Super Bowl XLVI against the Giants was not on McDaniels as the OC. Though he was technically on the staff as a special assistant, the offensive coordinator for that game was Bill O'Brien.

    Either way, I agree with what you've stated about the offensive output in the playoffs in comparison to the regular season. Its not realistically sustainable due to the increased competition level in the playoffs, however there needs to be more consistency in that regard.
     
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    You have a point, but give the Giants' D some credit. McDaniels' biggest challenge is in assembling an offense that can't be shut down when it counts the most, whether it's due to key injuries, elite defenses or by his own inability to adapt to good defensive game plans.
     
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    His biggest challenge is going to be finding a way to threaten defenses outside the hashes. If Amendola is as good as Welker, it still doesn't change the Pats' biggest problem. Their three best receiving options essentially occupy the same part of the field, the middle. This is what has cost them in the postseason the last two years. They are too easy for good defenses to defend when they have no outside threat.

    I have said it on other threads before and I'll say it again, the Pats would have been better off not signing Amendola and using the money on an outside guy. With two quality TEs, the need for a top of the line slot is not great. I would have much rather kept Lloyd, signed Jennings and drafted a guy like Swope than pay that kind of coin to Amendola. At this point they are easier to defend than last season.

    Also, I don't know how anybody is saying Amendola is anything more than a slot guy. The guy has a career avg of 8.8 yds per reception. That is a description of a guy that is nothing more than a slot guy with absolutely no explosion. He has never shown any ability to threaten the outside of the field, and his YPC shows that.
     
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    The thing about amendola is he has been the focal part of the rams offense for so long.
    He was doubled and at some points triple covered.
    Here he will be just a compliment to Gronk and A hern plus the Mcdaniels offense is obviously more misdirection then the schottenheimer offense the rams use.
    So barring his health on the field I expect his career to be spring boarded with the Patriots.
     
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    I credit the ref's. Especially in the first Giants vs Pats win. I seen the Giants oline hold moar than almost any other game I have ever seen.

    The big money was for the Giants. No doubt about it.
     
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    Did you see how much Jennings got from Minnesota? Don't know how you'd justify that here.
     
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    I know, but I think the need for at least one quality outside WR justifies it. It makes it tougher because of the money given to Mankins last year, but I think it is a position we need to put more of an emphasis on than we have. We can't keep going on with all of the skill position money given to guys that all work the same part of the field. We need to prioritize where we spend on offense, and I'm not sure the slot and OG are where we should be focusing our resources.
     
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