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    Skins fan chiming in. Personally I think John Clayton is a idiot to say these things. What is your opinion on this article.

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    Success is becoming more challenging for coach Bill Belichick.

    He won three Super Bowls preaching the team concept. His players still completely buy into the concept and are positioning themselves for a fourth ring. The Patriots are 7-0 and everyone is jumping onto their bandwagon.

    The latest supporters are the oddsmakers. For Sunday's game against the Redskins, the oddsmakers are installing the Patriots as 16½ point favorites. That's right, 16½ points. Thanks to Jason Campbell's development as a quarterback and coach Joe Gibbs' recommitment to being a running team, the 4-2 Redskins are an NFC playoff contender.

    To be treated like Temple going against Ohio State is a great motivating tool for Gibbs, a Hall of Fame coach. Making it worse is that most NFL observers outside the Patriots organization are looking past the Redskins game to New England's Week 9 showdown against the Colts, perhaps the most anticipated regular-season game since the start of the millennium.

    Each morning, Belichick has to load up a dozen "We're focused on the Redskins" answers for his press conferences. He's having enough trouble getting the world to stop focusing on the individual and offensive records the Patriots could break.

    Even though he believes his team is focused on the task at hand, Belichick knows Sunday could be a trap game. The Redskins are good, and they are physical. They may not have the best secondary in football, but they present a lot of headaches for the Patriots coach.

    Gibbs can line up for former high first-round picks against the Patriots' talented group of receivers. Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers are first-round corners still in their prime. Fred Smoot is a second-round choice working as the third corner.

    Mobile, physical safeties LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor present other problems. Taylor lost a lot of weight and leads the league with five interceptions. Landry has enough range to be a force against the run and help out in coverage.

    The big fear for Belichick is how physical the Redskins will be with his receivers. The Patriots' receivers haven't faced a lot of bump-and-run man coverage. And because Brady has been so accurate, New England's receivers have received very few hits in the middle of the field.

    As much as Belichick wants to win the game, he doesn't want to come out of it with a banged-up team. Despite what the oddsmakers think, Belichick has to be a little worried about the Skins.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3078941
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Uhh, thanks John. That was mighty insightful. Good thing you told us Belichick would be concerned with this team, cause he is in the habit of overlooking the challenges opponents pose.

    Really, the point of his article is that people like him (ESPN and the majority of the sports media) don't give the Redskins enough credit and are overlooking this game, but Belichick isn't going to take them lightly. Them's a whole lotta words ta say nuffin.
     
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    Once again a trap game. It looks like unless the team we are play is named the Colts...we are playing a trap game.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Clayton is an idiot but I can't find fault with his analysis.

    I do think the national sports media is jumping ahead to the Pats v. Colts game and it's disrespectful to everybody involved.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Exactly. There's always something negative to spin on the game if they're not playing the Colts. Remember that until last week, the Pat's couldn't win in Miami. Ridiculous.
     
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    Of the national media jumping ahead, consider Clayton included.....
     
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    I don't understand the hate for Clayton, he's one of the best writers out there IMO. (Hall of fame write that is.)
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    You are such a tard :rolleyes:

    On to the story. The whole premiss of the article is lost right about here;

    Yeah, like the oddmaker give a crap about bandwagons, streaks, "feel good" stories, spygate or any of that crap. They are there to MAKE MONEY and GET PEOPLE TO BET. Like they'd make a ton of money giving the skins +3. Get real, they call em like they see em.

    I stopped reading after that opening statement.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Yep, I prefer a certain writer, crucify me. :rolleyes:

    I don't understand the dislike for this guy considering those he works around. He owns Sean Salisbarry in a daily basis on those NFL segments.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Just another Peyton Manning ballwasher.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Clayton is an arseclown and always has been. I never take anything he says seriously.

    Clayton's face is like a pez-head on Peyton Manning's tool. He has been riding Manning's manhood for so long he has absolutely no credibility left on anything relating to football.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Peyton Manning is a great quarterback, one of the 10 best ever, what's the big deal with that?
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Oh, I didn't mean your preference of writer.......... I just meant "you're a tard" in a general sense :singing:




    Relax, I'm stone busting.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Meanwhile, the moron Clayton considers Tom Brady the "product of the system".
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Until this year, was that such an outlandish argument? I'm not saying it's true, but is it complete insanity to think that?
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Yes.

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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    Yes considering Drew Bledsoe was 5-13 in the same system.

    Yes since Tom Brady did not have two first round drafts at wide receiver and a first round draft pick at left tackle unlike Gomer in Indy.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    While I still don't agree that Brady is a system QB, I disagree with you that it's not completely out of the realm.

    Brady has incredible poise, moxsi, arm strength and my favorite quality in a QB, accuracy. But still, he has been surrounded by tremendous talent and ridiculously good coaching staffs his whole career.
     
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    Re: John Clayton on Skins vs Pats

    What tremendous offensive talent in 2001? As far as I can tell, Tom Brady only had two wide receivers in 2001, Troy Brown and David Patten. Meanwhile, tight end Jermaine Wiggens struck fear in the hearts of opposing defenses with 14 pass receptions during the entire 2001 NFL season.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe2001.htm
     
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    He's had talent, but hardly tremendous. He had an overachiever for most of his career in David Givens, a good, but aging, Troy Brown, and a less than stellar number one receiver in Deion Branch. He had one really good year out of any running back, and decent, if not average, TEs.

    Brady has done phenomenally with less than many QBs in the league.

    And the "system" crap is ridiculous. There have been years without a running game, years with a heavy emphasis on the running, years with a dependency on the short screen plays, years with many more shots downfield, years where he has led the league in TD passes, led the league in yards, years with little to no help from his WRs. The New England offensive plan changes from game to game, from opponent to opponent. You can make more of an argument that Peyton Manning, who has had the same system and OC his entire career, with many of the same players, is more of a system QB than Brady. That is, if you have any knowledge of how the Patriots play football.
     
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