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  1. wistahpatsfan

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    Has anyone been watching the HBO special on John Adams?
    It's one of the best miniseries I've ever seen. The authenticity of conditions of the late 18th century, the acting by all the actors is GREAT, the dialogue is riveting.

    Last night's episode focussed on the time Adams spent in Paris, England (the meeting with King George was intense), and his return for his and Washington's innauguration...Amazing special effects for the crowd. My favorite part was when Adams came off the boat to be welcomed by his new country, with the flags waving and the people cheering his efforts.

    I couldn't help but notice how far away we are from the class of men who chose politics for purely patriotic reasons. Men like Adams, Jefferson (great character in the show!) and especially Washington who saw national service as a commonly understood duty. GW was a god among ordinary men. While these men were relatively wealthy, they sought out no financial reward for their service.

    Such a far cry from what we have to swallow today.
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    Well said, these guys didn't seek to have the national tresuary be half to output of the economy, or the power that came from distributing that much of the nations wealth.
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    Those were the men that started this country on it's way to greatness.

    When you mention those names to a far left liberal they start spluttering about
    "Sex With The Slaves" (imagine the fun billy blue dress could have had in those days)
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    Ummm, you brought it up, Harry. BTW, you would've had a field day with Franklin, also.
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    Can I get an English translation, please? ;)

    Of course, there was no "nation's wealth" back then.
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    Actually most of the "founding fathers" put up their own wealth and then saw to it, that they were repaid when they wrote the constitution.
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    That sounds like a movie I'd like to see.
    I don't have HBO, though.:(
    I did see "The Crossing" on the History Channel.
    I thought Jeff Bridges was outstanding in
    his portrayal of GW.
    There's not too many Revolutionary War movies.
    Very intriguing time.
  8. wistahpatsfan

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    HBO. On intermittenly all week. You gotta see it, NEM. You'll start hating Bush when you compare him to the Founders...including Abigail....
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    On demand will help you catch up.
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    It's the reason why i have no need or want for any dish type cable system. You will find it only on cable TV atm, though i have heard for about 2 years now that the dish services are supposed to get it. It is basically a way to view pretty much anything you want from all the major channels and networks at anytime you want.

    I seen this post yesterday and viewed the first two shows On-Demand last night, i tell you HBO knows how to make a great mini series. I'm hooked in now, probably watch the third one tonight as it looks like 4 episodes are out atm.

    I also heard through the grapevine that thier newer series "John from Cincinnati" bombed and has been axed, which has opened up that director to hopefully wrap up those two 2 hour movies to finish up deadwood.
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    I am definitely hooked on this miniseries. A few observations:

    1) As great as this miniseries is, it is the 3rd best, imho, Tom Hanks-HBO collaboration - - the best being "From the Earth to the Moon" amd the second being "Band of Brothers". One can say Tom Hanks/HBO is the Lennon/McCartney of GREAT television.

    2) Giamatti and Linney should get Emmy's for this, hands down.

    3) There ARE, however, a few glaring historical innaccuracies in this. JA never was at the Boston Massacre, helping the wounded, etc. JA did not defend all of the British troops in one court case and get them all exonerated. The horrific pox medical treatment scene at Peacefields never took place - - in reality, AA took the children into Boston for the treatment. There are several more, however, it is compelling TV and I'm glad it is stirring conversation about American History (and about a President who had been very much overlooked until the McCullough book was published).
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    It's a 21st century thing. I wouldn't bother. :p
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    I liked "John" just because Rebecca DeMornay was in it. Still SMOKIN!
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    Yeah, this series has definitely lived up to expectations and Giamatti doesn't disappoint. Though I would have liked to see them cast Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson as John Adams, Giamatti is doing a fine job.

    Seriously though, for some reason every time HBO does one of these historical miniseries or movies they get a few things wrong. As long as you know enough to pick up on them it doesn't affect your enjoyment of what they've produced, which is always great. "Live from Baghdad" with Michael Keaton for example, had quite a few historical inaccuracies (which actually annoyed me that they put in) but overall it was a good film.
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    I liked that show but it never seemed to go anywhere. I could tell it was going to fail though; it was too out there to appeal to most viewers.
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    Directv has on demand but I think cable's on demand starts playing immedietly. DTV's downloads it to your DVR and it takes a while. You couldn't pay me to go back to cable. DTV is much better, picture quality, service etc.. overall cable sucks when compared to DTV.

    John from Cincinnati was to messed up for me, I didn't like it at all. But Deadwood was awesome - its a shame they messed that up. Showtime has a good show in Dexter.

    I haven't watched this week's John Adams but I have it on my DVR and I have enjoyed this mini-series a lot.
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    Welcome to my ignore list, ... this time, I vow for good.

    I almost never read your silly, racial-phobia crap anymore, but now I'll no longer be tempted. You don't deserve to be read, and your transparently Jim Crow view of America continues to put me in a foul mood. I know everyone says you're just "joking" all the time, just cuddly "Harry being Harry," but this lazy suggestion above is the last disgusting and inaccurate statement for my eyes from goofy you. There are a couple other posters here who share similar sentiment that you bring, but I'll focus on you because you're just constantly around .... like a bad and loud local cable TV advertisement I just can't find the remote in time to mute.

    I don't care what you've seen or experienced in your life that might garner some semblance of sympathy regarding race. Unfortunately, 80+ years in, and you still don't have the knowledge nor couth of anything you attempt to speak.

    What a sad charicature you truly represent.

    Slavery aside, I'd say this country was FOUNDED in and by liberalism. Yet it was Torries like yourself who attempted to sway public opinion toward loyalty to the crown, via guilt and claims of "traitor!!!" You're not fooling any of the readers here with your situational slant on what freedom truly represents. Just like you wouldn't back then.

    Our founding fathers would be aghast at what their nation has become. Aghast.

    Imposing imperialism abroad, on a much more bloody scale, under the smokescreen of unreasonable fear. And yet all you can think of to reference in your goofy satire is your soiled view of liberalism and the 'specter' of inter-racial relations. Pathetic.

    Jefferson considered slavery an abomination. Jefferson thought that emancipation was needed and necessary, albeit that it would have to be achieved gradually. This liberal here is well aware of that bit of history and absolutely awe-struck by it -- not conjuring up images of sex with slaves like YOU are. So please do yourself the favor of shutting that stuttering mouth of yours ... before you embarrass yourself beyond all doubt in the view of other posters somewhat less familiar with your narrow, black-or-white nonsense.

    You appear to contribute nothing for your common man, nor for liberty. Your contempt and distrust of and for people different than you is palpable and irritating.

    Go away, old man. You're a distraction.

    I'll let you respond in kind with your latest round of irrelevant insanity, but before the weekend is out, I wash my hands of your bigotted garbage.
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    What does the Unifications Church have to do with this thread?
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    My son was telling me about it, I am going to buy the whole set, it is on sale on line, $59.00, I have a short fuse and told my Dish Co. to shove HBO up their a$s because I got sick of watching the same stuff over and over but I suppose I'll sign up again, and your right, there is a lot of junk out there.

    :bricks:
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    Rebecca DeMornay,ummm at one time my favorite. I was crushed when someone told me she stared in porn movies. Don't know if its really true or not.

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