Joey007
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Why does Abraham owe you an admission of anything? He will make his choice. He will decide based on money, the cities, the team and maybe a lot of other things. And perhaps it will only be the money.
The ONLY time that I would be concerned would be if the patriots chose not to sign him at a "reasonable" amount of money.
But we'll never know Abraham's motives or what the patriots offered.
Great, another year with a crap pass rush.
Ninkovich isn't ideal, but Abraham would not be the solution. He'd be an overpaid backup DE.
Rather save that money for other depth signings and/or rollover for next years cap.
I think there are several aspects that will improve the pass rush even without the great John Abraham (Happy 35th birthday to him today, by the way):
2. The addition of Jamie Collins as our first pick. Belichick would not have chosen to waste our first pick on him had he not had some serious plans and use for him. There will be options for more blitzes in passing situations with different combinations of which Collins could very well be a part of
3. Better talent and depth on the DL with more of an interior presence with Tommy Kelly paired up with Wilfork etc. There is also the addition of Armstead, and the second year leap of Francis, Jones, and even possibly Bequette (although none of us are holding our breath on Bequette)
I don't think that Ninkovich would be starting over Abraham. He isn't as good vs the run as Abraham is, + Abraham is a more developed pass rusher. I'd have to imagine that Ninkovich would still get around 40%-45% of the snaps, but I wouldn't call Abraham as a "backup DE" either.
I think this is a fine thought. If Belichick has chosen to move on from messing around with Abraham, than I can't say that I'd blame him. There's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on the cap for 2014, and rolling the money over.
There's also the thought that Belichick used our first pick on Collins, who could get his feet wet in sub packages as a pass rusher.
So...he would sign with the Titans because of some other reason? It not really about the Patriots. I would not be critical of him if he signed with any of the other contenders...Niners, Seahawks, Broncos, Ravens, Giants. Going to the Titans would be a money grab...as long as he admitted that I'd be fine with the decision.
I think there are several aspects that will improve the pass rush even without the great John Abraham (Happy 35th birthday to him today, by the way):
1. The fact that we'll have Talib, Dennard, McCourty, and Wilson all playing in the positions they belong at from day one on, and that the secondary is more physical, talented, and has more depth
2. The addition of Jamie Collins as our first pick. Belichick would not have chosen to waste our first pick on him had he not had some serious plans and use for him. There will be options for more blitzes in passing situations with different combinations of which Collins could very well be a part of
3. Better talent and depth on the DL with more of an interior presence with Tommy Kelly paired up with Wilfork etc. There is also the addition of Armstead, and the second year leap of Francis, Jones, and even possibly Bequette (although none of us are holding our breath on Bequette)
4. Better LB play with more talent/depth (additions of Collins and Fletcher), along with the second year leap of Hightower and the constants of Spikes and Mayo
There is a reason he's still unsigned. No one thinks he's any good and he's asking way too much.
Ninkovich isn't ideal, but Abraham would not be the solution. He'd be an overpaid backup DE.
Rather save that money for other depth signings and/or rollover for next years cap.
A few things to consider so that people can understand that we do not need John Abraham.
1. Chandler Jones before his injury last year, was on pace for a DROY season and would've won had he stayed healthy. Even after, he made impact upon impact but now that he is healthy, lets see from the start of the season. He could emerge as one of the premiere defensive ends in the league kind of like a Jason Pierre-Paul type.
2. The drafting of pass rush extraordinaire OLB/DE Jamie Collins is important and will be an immediate impact on our pass rush. Of course, he will be in subpackages and certain formations at the defensive end spot occasionally.
3. Rob Ninkovich is quietly a very good pass rusher, but is sometimes pulled away from the defensive end position during games to do other things because he is so versatile but he does make a timely and definite impact, especially during important parts in a game.
4. I like what Justin Francis showed last year when he got playing time and that Buchanon kid has some good intangibles. Not to mention that Jermaine Cunningham is also solid depth. And what about Jake Bequette? He could prove great value at that position.
5. Jason Vega, lets see what he brings.
6. Dont'a Hightower could possibly sub in and get some snaps at the defensive end spot in certain packages as well.
We want to stay young, athletic, healthy, fresh, fast and interchangeable at that position.
You forgot Kyle Arrington. More importantly, none of these guys got to the QB last season as well as Abraham did. He would improve our pass rush and play every passing down. That's why people want him.
Arrington? He plays DE now? Abe is on the back 9 and the expectation is that his level of play will decline, how much I don't know. Jones and the other young players are expected to progress. He hasn't signed anywhere yet, which is telling what NFL FOs think about him.
Kyle Arrington averaged the same sack numbers over his career as many of our interior lineman lol
Kyle Arrington: 0 Career Sacks
Tommy Kelly: 34 Career Sacks
Vince Wilfork: 17 Career Sacks (while playing most of his career 2 gapping from the NT position)
Kyle Love: 5.5 Career Sacks
Brandon Deaderick: 5 Career Sacks
I know you are trying to use hyperbole but you are so far of the mark...
Jim Wyatt @jwyattsports 8m
Munchak said #Titans in talking stages with DE John Abraham but nothing imminent
Maybe they can end the Abraham watch
I'm hearing it hasn't been done yet due to wanting more playing time.
Tbh, at this point Id rather take Freeney. Abraham just doesn't quite seem like a team oriented guy, which is what I think he's looking for.