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  1. Patjew

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    This is probably a stupid question, but whatevah.

    With all of the (legitimate) moaning about the thin ranks of the Pats WR this year, especially playing 5 and 6 guys like Aiken at the 3 and 4 spots, why couldn't they just have Galloway line up wide every play and sprint down the field? Maybe do a double move now and then or run an in-cut, but basically just keep it really simple for the guy, let him use his speed, and allow Brady to know where he'd be every play so there'd be none of the "getting on the same page" stuff. I mean, if the guy can out-run every CB in the league, why not let him do his thing and occasionally draw a safety down the field and toss one up to him now and then?

    Unless he was a total dick in the locker room or he really lost his burst, I don't get why they would not try to work with him to his strengths, especially when there was no Gaffney or Stallworth sitting around waiting to play. It feels like they gave up on him too early.
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    went to a few home games early, PJ...he flat out couldn't outrun anybody flat out..that's why he's flat out of the league and his league pic lies flat on its back out in the dumpster behind the NFL offices...located in Flatbush
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    Well, if the issue was Kate Hudsonesque flatness, then I can better understand it.
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    One wonders if a 38 year old former Pro Bowler would be happy to sprint all out every play as a decoy.
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    I am guessing the defenses weren't buying his deep threat ability based on his attempts at catches on shorter routes. Even if he had the speed, he still has to hold on to the ball when it's thrown to him. He looked like Featherstone from Necessary Roughness.
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    Probably not, but maybe he would have preferred that to being cut. You could toss it to him if he got open, obviously.

    The cut was made by people who know alot more about this than I do, but it's always seemed strange to me.
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    It's not just about what happens on the routes after the snap, but equally as important what happens before it and where you line up and in what formation, or slot. You are in trouble if a rookie has to tell you where to line up (Edelman).

    Also, in our offense, the routes are complimentary to one another and frequently are timed routes (to take advantage of Brady's precision, which is a story for another time). Galloway disrupted quite a few of them by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Also you can't be taken seriously as a threat if you are a one-trick pony, you've got to mix it up sometimes, go long then go short every now and then. Problem is Galloway is one old dog who couldn't learn new tricks, particularly going across the middle, or on slant routes. He couldn't even tell man from zone which is particularly troublesome because routes change based on coverage recognition. Remember how Aiken had trouble with that (was that in Denver?).

    A long time ago I wrote a very long post on why Galloway couldn't buy into our system. I can't even begin to try to find where it is now.
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    A long time ago I wrote a very long post on why Galloway couldn't buy into our system. I can't even begin to try to find where it is now.

    yes...he's moved on..to that big Milky Galloway in the sky...[​IMG]
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    I wonder why the Pats didn't sign a guy like David Patten after they cut Galloway. Patten in 07 had over 50 Rec for 800 yards and ended up as the Saints 2nd WR. In 08 he only played 5 games but that was due more to the fact that the Saints wanted to play there younger WR's like Meachem and Moore at the #3 and #4 WR spots last season.
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    Thanks. That all makes sense and now I understand it more.
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    Wow, that was corny even for you! :D:D
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    Because he was sh!t.

    Basically.
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    Joey Galloway was the sole reason for the Patriots topsy turvy year. I was expecting the offense to completely cover the cracks in the defense and win the Superbowl, taking all before them with Galloway the key component.

    I had coffee mugs, t-shirts, hats and posters all emblazoned with Galloway and the Patriots Superbowl run.

    ******* Galloway.
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    I still think Brady's attitude towards Galloway in that Falcons game was over the top, especially considering he's a 38 year old veteran.
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    I agree. We'd be killing Peyton Manning for that.
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    Me too, I was convinced Galloway would emerge as a legitimate #2/#3 threat and this offense would be able to take the team at least a few rounds into the playoffs.
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    Should we re-sign him?
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    Sign the beast!
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    Well for me he was done after that play where he pulled out of catching the ball because he seen a hit coming.
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    It's either line up Galloway, Moss and Doug Gabriel and fling it or go back to a disciplined passing offense with good route runners.

    I'm for B.

    It's hard to have a half disciplined offense.
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    By the way, Brady waiting for Moss to get open has already destroyed the passing offense.

    I'm not against Moss and think he's done what he was told, but you can't have everybody else running timing routes and Brady standing and staring at Moss and Welker waiting for them to improvise.

    Sorry folks, it's one or the other.
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    All offseason long we heard about how he still had his speed, and we saw him use that speed to get open numerous times in the little he played. He and Brady weren't on the same page with those throws, you may recall.

    It wasn't about his speed, though.
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    I agree with this one. As someone else said, this is something that we've thrown Manning under the bus for numerous times.

    I think most people know how I feel toward Galloway. IMO, it was unfair of us to come in and expect the old dog to learn new tricks. The coaching staff could have simplified things for him to let him run the routes that he was comfortable with in an effort to ease him into things on offense. He still had speed, as was shown in the Jets game in Week 2. He flat out burned his man and was wide open for (what would have been) a game-tying TD and Brady overthrew him. That said, I'm still not sure how effective he would have been in this offense even if he had stayed. I'm sure this won't be a popular comment, but I'll say it anyway: Brady realistically couldn't hit the deep ball on a consistent basis to save his life this year.

    I also have a conspiracy theory which states that Galloway had some sort of lingering injury that we as fans have not been made aware of. The guy still had deep speed and still had the intangibles that made him a good receiver in this league. The fact that the Pats dropped him, even though his back-up was Sam Aiken, and the fact that nobody really picked him up afterward would support an injury situation.
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    That's been the big problem.. It's not so much improvising as it is Brady forcing the ball in.. even into double-coverage when other receivers were wide open.
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    It was the lack of a WR besides Moss and Welker that was the issue all season long. If you were Brady would you rather force the ball to Welker (which wasnt really an issue because he led the league in receptions, and continually made plays despite the double coverage) or throw the ball to Aiken or Stanback with single coverage? The answer is double coverage to Moss or Welker, if the Pats had a dependable 3rd WR then there wouldnt be this argument because Brady would be able to throw the ball to other WRs because they make plays
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    Yes, I think the lack of trust in a 3rd WR made a big difference this season.
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    Sure, while we're at it, let's bring back cast of former Pats from decade+ ago for tryouts. We can find a reasonable #2 from this cast
    Terry Glenn
    Troy Brown
    Shawn Jefferson
    Tony Simmons
    David Givens
    Deion Branch
    Vincent Brisby
    Michael Timpson
    Kevin Lee
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    Yeah, he couldn't catch a cold.
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    You forgot Hart Lee Dykes.....heheheheh
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    If it was about speed and this coaching staff monitored him for 4 months and thought he was fast enough than oh man, this team IS in decline.

    IMO, like others said it was more a fit thing. He couldn't adapt to the Patriot WR way, and tried to do his own thing like other before him have, and like the others, have failed. I agree with the poster who stuck up for Brady as he was lacking a #3. As much as we get on Tom for locking onto Moss or Welker, unless they were wide open by 25 feet, people would be going ape **** if brady passed the ball to Aiken/Stanback over Welker/Moss in crunch time.

    We seem to forget that 07 offense had Moss, Welker AND Gaffney, AND Stallworth.

    Those 2 are no world beaters by any means, however they both proved themselves enough to be respectable threats, and that they were. I'm not expecting to ever be so loaded again, but we need to get a replacement for Gaffney. Even in 06, when Brady was throwing to him and Rache, you could just feel the confidence Brady was gaining in him.
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