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    On Sirius NFL radio today with Ross Tucker and Jim Miller they were discussing who they think will be the starters on opening day roster and while there were not many surprises in what we expect,I thought Miller's prediction that Wilhite would get the nod over Springs as starter at corner seemed surprising,Butler was not mentioned as I think they don't see much action from the rookie barring injury to the other corners and they look at Wheately as another STer early on.

    They also discussed Safety and that Chung for most of the season would retain a role on STs and as a situational Safety and be behind Williams on the depth chart.

    They also predict that Pierre Woods will most likely win the starting OLB spot opposite Thomas with Crable and Cain vying for backup depth.

    Does anyone think BB goes to youth over experience if both have equal to similar camp production? - BTW, They both LOVE the pickup of Leigh Bodden who they say will be a difference maker the Patriots have not had since Law and Samuel left.

    I respect anything that Jim Miller says,Not only is he an intelligent sports personality analyst but he was a member of this team years ago and knows the Patriots way,Wilhite will be a surprise though,I thought Springs would be a lock unless his preseason was horrendous.
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    I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Springs not starting, but I don't think we can entirely rule out Wheatley, either. He was performing very well before he got hurt, and I'm anxious to see how he's progressed.
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    Springs at least has an obvious role if he isn't a starting corner: he is the Chad Scott "tall corner" replacement.
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    Yeah- given his long history of shutting down Terrell Owens, in particular, I look forward to seeing him match up against the physical WRs that have been hell for us the last couple of years.
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    They are paying Springs a lot of money. I expect him to start.
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    oh how i can't wait for the darn season to just start already. so many questions. How will Bodden play? Will Woods be effective? Is wrestling fixed?
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    From what I recall Wilhite was used primarily on slot receivers; I would expect Springs to be on the outside lined up against bigger receivers like Owens. In other words, it's not like either one is starting over the other. I would expect Wheatley and Bodden to be Springs' biggest competitors for playing time, not Wilhite.
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    I also believe that Springs will get the starting nod, but I do respect Miller's opinion. Willhite has shown promise.

    Even though I like Bodden, I'm of the opinion that anointing him as the starter opposite Springs is not a sure thing.
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    It would be really, really interesting to see Wilhite over Springs, Wheatley, and Butler. I'd not be surprised, but it would be quite interesting. Hopefully it'd be because he's so hot in TC and not because they others fail...
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    At the moment, I expect Wilhite to be penciled in as starter to start camp. Being no football expert, but having had some experience training people, I'd look to see Wilhite paired with one of Springs/Bodden and Wheatley paired with the other initially, Butler will probably be third string working with Richardson (if he's not cut or in the training room) or Love. As for seasonal roles, Wilhite/Wheatley and Bodden would seem to be the regular starters, with Springs playing a nickel/situational role. Springs is making a lot of money, but he's also more injury prone and I expect BB to target and manage his time carefully. Week one against Terrell Owens, Springs starts.
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    :yeahthat: though I think they'll job-share depending on the situation/opponent. We know one game we'll see Springs as numero uno ;)

    But I agree, that's why Springs makes the big bucks; he's not here to be a fill-in or veteran back-up, he's here to play. Plus our secondary needs to come out smoking and make those big plays.

    Springs gets the nod but I think Wilhite's going to be good. I don't see Wilhite starting unless the situation calls for it.

    JMHO
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    Either way they are gonna have one helluva dime defense.

    Springs
    Bodden
    Willhite
    Wheatley
    Merriwether
    Butler/Chung

    Guyton- coverage for the TE/RB
    Mayo

    Thomas
    Sey
    Wilfork/Crable

    Thats some serious speed on the field
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    I hear you... but anyone else think it's kinda funny he mentions Big Vince a few words before "serious speed" ?
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    For a 325lber, he moves with great agility. :p

    That's why I put Crable in there too.
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    Here is what I expect, by position
    DE- Seymour and Warren play all the snaps they can. Wright and Green fill in.
    DT- Wilfork plays every snap he can.
    OLB- Thomas is on the field all the time. Woods starts opposite him, Crable is the backup to both.
    ILB- Mayo 100%er. Bruschi and Guyton pretty equally share the rest of the load.
    CB- Bodden and Springs are the starters. Wheatley and Wilhite compete for the nickel, with Wheatley surpassing Wilhite somewhere from camp through week 4. I fully expect all 4 to play a lot, and expect injuries among the group to dictate a lot of who plays how much. Butler will be on the outside looking in for pt unless he takes advantage of the chance he gets due to injuries. Butlers eta as a big contributor goes from week 10 to week 4 of 2010, IMO.
    S- Merithwether and Sanders play full time, Chung is getting 1/3 to 1/2 of the snaps by the 2nd half of the season as their backup.

    Crabel, TBC, Woods, all work in as 3rd down DEs across from AD.
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    Gives ya chills doesn't it:D
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    Going into last season my somewhat broken-record mantra was that we desperately needed better athletes on the field on defense on 3rd down. I traced the disappointing ends to both 06 and 07 to the lack of speed and coverage ability on the field in obvious passing situations. In the SB Eli Manning literally watched receivers run away from Gay and Harrison all day long.
    I think it would seem that this area has now gone from biggest weakness to an actual strength. Our speed in the secondary may have been 32nd of 32 on 2007, and it is defintely above average now.
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    Hopefully one of them can cover Dustin Keller on 3rd & long ....
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    Unfortunately that one was on Mayo.
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    You just hit on my #1-b (besides a pass-rush) concern for this defense.

    In his prime, #37 brought a presence to that backfield. Receivers cut off routes and experienced a sudden case of the alligator arms when he was in their vicinity. As of right now, this backfield does not have that sledgehammer. I am covinced that they have speed, 2nd & 3rd year players and new veterans that will learn the schemes and coverages and be functional in either a zone or man-to-man coverage defense. Going back to my origional point, Chung seems to have the skills and the attitude to be that kind of player. But to expect the same level of physical play that Rodney brought to the field in Chung's rookie year is not reasonable to expect from a rookie.

    IMO Sanders is serviceable, but it not a lumber-layer and Merriweather needs more meat on the bones and play with more leverage (as we saw with Keller) to be that type of hitter. IMO whatever they get out of Tank will be a bonus.

    It will be interesting to see how physically and mentally tough this secondary will be in December. Specifically an "attitude" that disrupts opposing passing games. Clearly BB values physical play in the secondary and wants to see it come to fruition. I'm excited to see how it all develops.
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    One thing that has become very apparent the last few years is the effect of injuries on not just the Patriots, but any NFL team. I would point to examples from last year of the offensive line of the Jaguars, the Rams offensive line, the Colts in games Jeff Saturday could not start, and what happened to both Ben Roethlisburger and their team's running game when the Steeler's offensive line was dealing with mid-season injuries. After players were banged up or out on the defensive line and at linebacker Tampa Bay went from a good defensive team to one that was being absolutely run over in their last four games. Maybe not the best examples since they are at different positions, but I hope you get my point.

    So while this current Patriots roster may not include a DeMarcus Ware or Nnamdi Asomugha, it may be better set up to survive the rigors of NFL season. When the inevitable injury does happen, there should be far less of a dropoff in production than that which other teams may experience. That in turn could put them in better position than many other teams for this 2009 season.
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    This is just to say how amazing it is that we're not even talking about a highly touted rookie like Butler being in the mix for the nickel spot (and through no fault of his own).

    It all remains to be seen on the field, of course, but at this stage the rebuilding of the secondary looks mighty impressive.
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    What a difference a year makes. Last year the discussion was trying to find two worthy players to start at corner. This year we are trying to pick two among the several players worthy of starting.
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    Last year, the team had 1 definite starter quality player and a bunch of question marks.

    This year, the team has 1 definite starter quality player and a bunch of question marks.
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    I think you can argue whether Hobbs was worthy of starting. Clearly he wasn't, that's why the Pats shipped him off for nothing.
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    You can argue it. That just makes me more confident that he was worthy.
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    Ok, then why was he shipped off for nothing?
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    I should know better, but I'll go ahead and take the bait. Though both the 2008 and 2009 rosters may (or may not) have had only one definite starter and a bunch of question marks, do you really feel you can simply dismiss the current squad by implying they are essentially the same as last years group?

    At this time last year we were looking at Hobbs, Bryant, Wheatley, Wilhite, Spann, Richardson, Lewis Sanders, and the possibility of transitioning Meriweather into a CB.

    This year the options appear to be Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler, Spann, and Richardson.

    The players on both the '08 and '09 rosters - Wheatley, Wilhite, Spann and Richardson - are all upgrades because they have an additional year of experience without yet reaching a point of decline in speed and reaction.

    That leaves the following:
    Bodden: Hobbs
    Springs: Bryant (O'Neal)
    Butler: L Sanders

    Even if you were to make an argument that Hobbs is as good or better than Bodden, the other moves on the positive side (e.g., whomever you compare to Bryant or O'Neal) make the 2009 cornerbacks far superior to the 2008 group.
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    Bodden vs. Hobbs. I'll call it even but it'll be Bodden by year's end.
    Springs vs. O'Neal. Duh.
    Wheatley 2nd year vs. Wheatley 1st year. Wheatley 2nd year wins.
    Willhite 2nd year vs. Willhite 1st year. Willhite 2nd year wins.
    Butler vs.Lewis Sanders. Butler wins.

    You can label them question marks all you like, the reality is every CB spot is better now than last year other than MAYBE Hobbs' spot; although I disagree with you there, the argument could at least be made. Two through five there isn't even a plausible argument.
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