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  1. JackPMiller

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    I was watching Jim Fasel on ESPN's FirstTake, and he had to build the ultimate WR.

    Here is how Fasel answered
    Best Hands - Randy Moss
    Best Route runner - Randy Moss
    Strongest - T.O.
    Smartest - Torry Holt
    Thoughness -Marvin Harrison


    I like Moss for what he is doing this season, but if I had to build the ultimate WR with what is given,
    Best Hands - Larry Fitzgerald(Cards)
    Best Route runner - Steve Smith(Panthers)
    Strongest - Hines Ward(Steelers)
    Smartest - Torry Holt(Rams)
    Toughness - Troy Brown(Patriots)
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    No way any WR in the league has better hands than Moss.

    No one.
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    If you add quickest, I think Wes Welker has to factor in. I'd say TO is the strongest without a doubt, though David Givens would give him a run if he wasn't chronically injured... and Calvin Johnson is a huge, strong guy, too.

    Troy Brown is the toughest receiver I can think of. Spent his entire career going across the middle and getting whomped by opposing players.
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    Since when is Marvin "Pretty Please Don't Tackle Me" Harrison a tough wideout?

    Pundits need to realise that just because he's played till he's 56 doesn't mean he's tough. Just old.
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    You are going to tell me that Moss has better hands than Larry Fitzgerald. Moss is having a great year, but Fitzgerald is the guy that most coaches, GM, or whoever would choose. Moss is having a wonderful year, but his hands are not as good as Fitzgerald.
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    With regards to hands and football IQ, nobody beats Moss.

    NOBODY.
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    I agree with you on Troy Brown and forgot about him.
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    Jim Fassel disagrees.
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    I agree that Moss is easily the best route runner. Ive never seen a receiver that sets up his cuts with the route PRIOR TO making the cut better than Moss.
    The other thing I've seen from Moss, on deep balls, is that he fakes out the DB with how he goes after the catch. There was one pass early this year that was thrown to the outside. Moss stayed straight in line, then when the ball was coming down, reached far out to his right to grab it. The defneder may have gotten in position if Moss drifted toward the ball, but had no chance the way Moss played it.
    I'd also give Moss the best in the category of attacking the ball in the air.
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    Hines Ward as strongest over Owens and Boldin? Ok...
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    I'm not knocking him down for what he has done for the Pats. And he is going to win a Super Bowl ring this year, but I have a problem with putting him in any of those spots. Steve Smith is the best route runner that I have seen in a long time. Hines Ward is real strong, to which I feel as a WR, the strongest in the NFL.
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    Strongest is TO, Hines Ward is the best regarding blocking and probably "toughness." Fitzgerald has great hands like Moss, but Moss has better hand-eye coordination, which is a big factor with deep balls and big plays.
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    Ward is not as strong as Owens. I don't even see how this is an argument.
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    Um, Moss doesn't have the best hands in the league? Are you kidding me. He has superglue hands. Moss has been know to catch everything near him throughout his entire career.

    Moss has the best hands.
    Moss has the best speeds.
    Moss is the best route runner.
    TO is the strongest
    TO is probably slightly better with YAC (breaking tackles, etc)
    Holtz is very smart, but I think Moss is just as smart.
    Moss has the best "quickness"
    Moss has the best "jump ball" ability.
    Moss has the biggest impact on the field.
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    I don't like Owens. And he will not be on any list.
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    Well then your list is bogus. You can't decided not to give someone credit just because you don't like them. TO is probably the strongest WR and the best with YAC (largely due to his strength). You're dislike for him has nothing to do with that.
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    How is speed not a category? What about jumping ability? One of the main things that Brady has said about the ease of throwing to Moss is that he just throws it as high as he can and knows that Moss will come down with it.

    Moss = best hands; he might drop one or two, but every receiver in the league does that from time to time. The difference, in my opinion, is that he comes down with catches that NO OTHER receiver in the league would have a chance on (the Indy catch, the elbow catch, etc). That has to be factored in when talking about hands.
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    I think Branch is one of the best route running WR's in the league when he is healthy.

    Hands- Moss (and it's not close)
    Game Speed - Moss (even at 30 he blows past dbs like they are standing still)
    Strength- Owens
    Leaping Ability- Moss
    Brains- Marvin Harrison
    Body Control- Moss
    Toughness- Troy
    Route Running- The Double S Killah! Steve Smith
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    I was joking about that. But to be honest, I do feel that Hines is much stronger than T.O.
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    You're out of your mind if you feel Ward is "much stronger" than Owens. TO is a physical specimen.
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    Have you ever seen Larry Fitzgerald? He makes catches that just amazes me. I feel Fitzgerald is the best WR in the game today. Fitzgerald does not have the supporting cast like Moss, and T.O. has, and the QB either.
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    Puff and Pass bro. Fitz is good, but he may not even be the best WR on his OWN TEAM! :bricks:
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    Generally when Tom Brady says Randy Moss has the best hands he's ever seen, I'm going to believe him...


    So that means he has the best hands, because he makes amazing plays?

    And BTW, I would take Boldin over Fitzgerald anyway.
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    Lay down the pipe dude...

    Why are you even comparing a good receiver (Fritzgerald) to game breakers like Moss and TO???

    Three years in the league doesnt make someone a superb receiver...

    2005 TDs = 10
    2006 TDs = 6
    2007 TDs = 4

    This reminds me a month back when someone said Plaxico Burress was a better receiver then Owen or Moss...

    Also are you saying Anquan Boldin is not a good supporting cast for the Cards??? sheesh...
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    this is my take on it......

    Best Hands - Jason Avant
    Best Route runner - Matt Jones
    Strongest - Bethel Johnson
    Smartest - Bernard Berrian
    Toughness -Mike Williams
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    Hands: Moss(means acrobatic catches aswell)
    Speed: Moss
    Route Running: Holt
    Strength/YAC: Boldin
    Leaping Ability: Moss
    Quickness/Agility: Smith(or Hester lol..)
    Impact: Moss

    Moss's quickness has been shown in route running but he hasnt done that much in openfield..i understand though hes being doubled and that limits YAC but hes big. A guy like Steve Smith will flat out juke u with the ball in his hands
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    Are you talking about the one against the Bills in the first game we played them? Where he was kind of like an NBA center and boxed out greer with his body staying inside and at the last possible second stretched his arms out fully and caught the ball with his hands. Greer played it great but unless he was as tall as Moss, it was impossible to stop. It was amazing on so many levels.
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    no love for Andre Johnson?
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    I'm not saying Boldin is a bad WR, but I feel this Fitz has the best hands, and Hines in my mind is the strongest WR in the NFL. I do believe Troy Brown ifs the toughest WR in the NFL. Smith is the best route runner, and Holt is the smartest WR. That is my opinion.

    I am shock that people don't believe that Fitz is the best WR in the NFL. If I had to take a WR first, it would be Fitz.
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    Andre has had some durability issues. That is why I have problems putting him in.
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