Jim Brown: Stallworth also on marijuana

[KDPPatsfan85]

To say pot has NO effect on driving is ridiculous. I'm an everyday toker, I drive fine when I'm stoned. Why? Because I have an everyday toker's tolerance. I damn sure wouldn't get behind the wheel of a car when I was a younger youth smoking.

It's like comparing a man and a boy to drinking. The boy will be gone, the grown man will be chilling. What if stallworth was an occasional user, not an everyday user and was feeling drowzy behind the wheel? When you're overpowered by marijuanna, that can happen.

Again, I smoke everyday. I fully support marijuanna. However to act like it could NEVER cause a car accident to ANYONE is beyond short sighted. I'm not trying to argue, just saying. But yes, more than likely it was in Stallworth's blood from before. It stays in for at least 30 days.

Also, if he was stoned, I'd worry more about the fact he was drunk as **** when he hit that guy. I seriously doubt marijuanna could have CAUSED the accident, possibly it could've contributed , but not cause it. Hey a lot of Nyquil could do the same thing, we don't consider that a bad drug.

The whole thing just sucks. Sucks to see someone die, and sucks to see someone throw their life away. However, you can't tell me somebody didn't save Stallworth. If I killed somebody while being hammered and I got a freaking MONTH (We have people doing YEARS for drugs! I love this country) I'd honestly crap my pants. That man was saved, no doubt.

I am also an everyday toker. I drive high all the time and no problems!! I agree that Stallworth got lucky because if he was just another guy and not an NFL pro he would probably get 3-10 years!! Vick got 2 years for killing dogs and stallworth got 30 days for killing a human!! AMAZING!!

 

[BionicPatriot]

I am also an everyday toker. I drive high all the time and no problems!! I agree that Stallworth got lucky because if he was just another guy and not an NFL pro he would probably get 3-10 years!! Vick got 2 years for killing dogs and stallworth got 30 days for killing a human!! AMAZING!!

Me and you smoke everyday that's why it wont effect us like the guy who hasn't toked in 3 months. He'll be fried and ready for bed by 7 PM.

 

[letekro]

Good point, because atheists and people who don't talk from a more religious standpoint never get preachy or arrogant about anything.

Also a good point, except I wasn't talking about religious people in general, I was speaking about a particular subset of that group - the only subset I'm aware of that "finds God" - Born Again Christians. If you don't think these folks are more self-righteous than the average bear, either (1) you are one, and thus lack the proper perspective on the subject matter, or (2) you don't know any.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Also a good point, except I wasn't talking about religious people in general, I was speaking about a particular subset of that group - the only subset I'm aware of that "finds God" - Born Again Christians. If you don't think these folks are more self-righteous than the average bear, either (1) you are one, and thus lack the proper perspective on the subject matter, or (2) you don't know any.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Born-again Christians tend to be preachy. Avid Richard Dawkins readers tend to be preachy. It has less to do with what they believe than with the pure, raw intensity that they believe it, plus the compulsion that they feel to make everyone they know believe what they believe too.

Also, blood tests can detect marijuana for up to six weeks after the last time someone smoked, so even if it was found in his system that doesn't mean that he was high at the time of the accident necessarily.

 

[primetime]

I am also an everyday toker. I drive high all the time and no problems!! I agree that Stallworth got lucky because if he was just another guy and not an NFL pro he would probably get 3-10 years!! Vick got 2 years for killing dogs and stallworth got 30 days for killing a human!! AMAZING!!

Vick got 2 years on federal charges for his involvement in an illegal interstate gambling ring and racketeering operation, not for killing dogs (though that didn't help him when it came to sentencing). Stallworth wasn't brought up on federal charges, and there were certain details in the police report that aided his case. If he had not been over the legal limit, he probably would not have been charged.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I am also an everyday toker. I drive high all the time and no problems!! I agree that Stallworth got lucky because if he was just another guy and not an NFL pro he would probably get 3-10 years!! Vick got 2 years for killing dogs and stallworth got 30 days for killing a human!! AMAZING!!

Back in my younger days I toked a fair amount, and I knew plenty of people who actually enjoyed driving on the stuff, but that was never my thing, I guess for the same reason why I don't drink and drive. Even if I *think* I'm fine, I just never saw the point in chancing it.

 

[Deus Irae]

Also a good point, except I wasn't talking about religious people in general, I was speaking about a particular subset of that group - the only subset I'm aware of that "finds God" - Born Again Christians. If you don't think these folks are more self-righteous than the average bear, either (1) you are one, and thus lack the proper perspective on the subject matter, or (2) you don't know any.

When people speak from a different perspective than yourself, it's easy to think they are preaching when they are not. This often happens when they point out that something they believe in conflicts with the way you carry your own life. For many people, the response is to criticize those who've made them look to their own actions, rather than deal with the uncomfortable notion that "those people" might have been on to something.

As to your numbered assertions, I know a lot of Born Again Christians, I'm not one, and I don't find them to be any more or less likely to hop up on a soapbox than the next group.

 

[scout]

I am also an everyday toker. I drive high all the time and no problems!! I agree that Stallworth got lucky because if he was just another guy and not an NFL pro he would probably get 3-10 years!! Vick got 2 years for killing dogs and stallworth got 30 days for killing a human!! AMAZING!!

I heard a good explanation of the penalty the other day (not saying he shouldn't have gotten a more severe sentence). Stallworth was legally drunk, but may have hit the guy regardless as the man was not in an intersection and darted out in trying to catch a bus. He was drunk, but it was an accident. As opposed to Vick, where it was malicious intent. Still, dogs and man, big difference.

 

[BradyFTW!]

As to your numbered assertions, I know a lot of Born Again Christians, I'm not one, and I don't find them to be any more or less likely to hop up on a soapbox than the next group.

I do, but I always figured that it was because Christians are pretty clearly instructed by scripture to spread the word. I find it pretty annoying, most of the time, but understand that it's coming from good intentions and don't really let it bother me. I know plenty of atheists that are just as bad, and they don't even have anything commanding them to be

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

How the hell would Jim Brown know this? I didn't know Brown wants to be a journalist now.

 

[Deus Irae]

I do, but I always figured that it was because Christians are pretty clearly instructed by scripture to spread the word. I find it pretty annoying, most of the time, but understand that it's coming from good intentions and don't really let it bother me. I know plenty of atheists that are just as bad, and they don't even have anything commanding them to be

Spreading the word isn't getting on a soapbox, as a specific thing. How some go about spreading that word can be. I think that's where a lot of misunderstanding comes in, because some people view the very way others go about their lives as "preaching", especially if they dare to voice their opinion in the context of a conversation. Hell, we can see that here almost every time a thread about marijuana comes up. In fact, there's quite a list of subjects sure to garner attacks and insults if you dare to voice opinions other than "I agree 100%!" on most message boards today, and it's not limited to any one political or religious ideology.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Spreading the word isn't getting on a soapbox, as a specific thing. How some go about spreading that word can be. I think that's where a lot of misunderstanding comes in, because some people view the very way others go about their lives as "preaching", especially if they dare to voice their opinion in the context of a conversation. Hell, we can see that here almost every time a thread about marijuana comes up. In fact, there's quite a list of subjects sure to garner attacks and insults if you dare to voice opinions other than "I agree 100%!" on most message boards today, and it's not limited to any one political or religious ideology.

Spreading the word and trying to convince others to adopt your religious ideology is pretty much the definition of getting on a soapbox. All that really matters is how much you let it bother you.

And yes, some of the preachiest people I know get on their soapbox about how unjust marijuana laws are (I agree with them, but that's beside the point). People pick strange **** to get on their soapbox about, and religion is one of the most common.

At no point on this thread did anyone even suggest that preachiness was limited to one political or religious ideology, so I really don't get why you're harping on that.

 

[Deus Irae]

Spreading the word and trying to convince others to adopt your religious ideology is pretty much the definition of getting on a soapbox. All that really matters is how much you let it bother you.

Given that one can spread the word by simple words or deeds rather than preaching and giving speeches, I'm sorry, but your simply not accurate here.

And yes, some of the preachiest people I know get on their soapbox about how unjust marijuana laws are (I agree with them, but that's beside the point). People pick strange **** to get on their soapbox about, and religion is one of the most common.

People will preach about pretty much anything, given the right circumstances. Religion is no more common than any other reason, particularly in modern society.

At no point on this thread did anyone even suggest that preachiness was limited to one political or religious ideology, so I really don't get why you're harping on that.

Probably because I posted in direct response to someone who mentioned religion and nothing else....

 

[BradyFTW!]

Given that one can spread the word by simple words or deeds rather than preaching and giving speeches, I'm sorry, but your simply not accurate here.



People will preach about pretty much anything, given the right circumstances. Religion is no more common than any other reason, particularly in modern society.



Probably because I posted in direct response to someone who mentioned religion and nothing else....

Nothing that you said actually refuted any of my points, and I'm not going to start quoting passages out of scripture mandating that followers should go and teach the word of Christ to non-believers. I'd be happy to give you a list of them, though.

The post that you originally quoted, BTW, said this:

well, if he has "found god" then that clearly explains the soapbox.

Where, in that post, does he say that religion is the only thing that people preach about? I'm awfully sure that he doesn't say that. In fact, I'm awfully sure that nobody said that, at any point in this thread. Face it, you were caught making a straw-man argument. Rather than continuing to argue against a point that nobody made, how about you get up to speed?

 

[DarrylS]

How the hell would Jim Brown know this? I didn't know Brown wants to be a journalist now.

He works for the Cleveland Browns...

 

[Pats726]

And the way the thread is going OFF to the political forum....

 

[AzPatsFan]

And there are MANY religous people that shove their beliefs down ALL others...wait...THAT is what it is like in a LOT of the country.....in fact most. TGFM...

Yes I agree I especially detest those religious nuts, the intolerant, "Liberal", Socialist, Utopian, true-believers, who want the over powering State to rule over everyones lives, as they dream of 1984!

 

[DESERTPAT]

I know belly loves the guy but geez how many "SUCKA" movies do you have to make before you become irrelevant?

 

[Pats726]

Yes I agree I especially detest those religious nuts, the intolerant, "Liberal", Socialist, Utopian, true-believers, who want the over powering State to rule over everyones lives, as they dream of 1984!

Really??? I guess you read a different version of 1984...Where war is peace and truths are lies... sounds more like the past 8 years...Who has ripped constitutional rights away quickly with warrantless wiretaps, broken the Geneva convention with war crimes and the like?? Who had memos that they wanted to do away with Congress..if they chose??

 

[AzPatsFan]

Really??? I guess you read a different version of 1984...Where war is peace and truths are lies... sounds more like the past 8 years...Who has ripped constitutional rights away quickly with warrantless wiretaps, broken the Geneva convention with war crimes and the like?? Who had memos that they wanted to do away with Congress..if they chose??

The only Geneva Conventions broken was to not enfoerce them. There is was no need for Gitmo at all. Everyone of the detainess is guilty of at least Two Capital Crimes under the Generva convention. Being on a battlefierld out of uniform isw a capital crime. But more important targeting Civilians is a Genva convention Law calling for Summary Executiion. Every one of the detainess should have been shot long ago.