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  1. RyanTheColtsFan

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    I can't figure out what the big deal was about Kennedy. People just loved him, but he wasn't in office all that long and for pretty much his entire term, we were in a war in Vietnam. He and his brother were linked to Marilyn Monroe and other women. That means JFK wasn't faithful to his wife. It's been written that he was on all kinds of drugs for pain. Apparently, his father ripped off everybody when he sold whiskey. What do we really know about the guy that's good? All I've ever heard about is the bad and, frankly, I have little respect for him.

    Why the love affair?
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    Old Joe Kennedy the Father (Bootlegger, Mafia Friend) paid millions to splatter the Kennedy's all over the media, the media loved the Kennedy's (Boston Globe still does), old Joe pulled every string that could be pulled to start JFK up the political ladder.

    If you keep telling the public something that isn't true over and over and over sooner or later they will believe it.

    Little Bobby was the first to meet Marilyn Monroe, after watching her in several of her movies he said "why is this women so popular, she can't act for sh it", so he went to her PR people, the secret was, tell the people she is wonderful enough times and soon they will believe it.

    Then he started "humping her", then he passed her on to Jack (they shared their women) another of Old Joes lessons for "his boys".

    Old Joe would have been proud of "Uncle Teddy" running away from the bridge that night, "the hell with Mary Jo the coverup is the important thing.

    Old Joe taught them well in their treatment of women, he sh it all over Rose, she spent half her life in church praying for the "philanderers"

    I never could understand how the "National Organization For Women" could support this family of degenerates.

    The Muslims in Iraq treat their Donkeys better than the Kenndy's treat their women.
    Poor Joan, Poor Jackie, Poor Ethel, Poor Rose. "POOR MARILYN"
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    There you have it Ryan, you can listen to what "other" people say, or you can read about the Kennedys. By the way, the little that I have read regarding the Kennedy women regards them as extremely strong willed and independent.
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    JFK was a media creation. Telegenic, his deep fundamental character flaws were deliberately and repeatedly hidden from the public by the media because they liked his policies. He did not last long enough in office to pay the inevitable price for his escallation in Vietnam.

    Me, I liked his foreign policies, domestic economic policies (e.g. civil rights, bully pulpit with the steel industry, tax cuts followed by economic growth), and allowed him a margin of error (the utterly failed Cuban invasion attempt). This record would never survive today's radacilized press.
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    Have a hard time with media creation, at that time do not remember much media stuff. For many of us, he was a RC from Mass who spoke with passion and gave us hope. Do not remember us needing hope then, but it felt good, he was a complete extreme of Dwight D and the previous folk. He was down to earth, personable and seemed more like us(even though he was not) than most of the previous presidents. He spoke about us getting involved with our country and did some good things, will never forget the day he died and the following days.

    Also disagree with how he treated Jackie, who stood alone as an extremely strong woman who was well bred and dignified. He may have been a womanizer, but somewhere in that personna he spent some good time with his family. Not idealizing the guy, but he gave us something I can never forget and they can write about all the bad crap he did, will never forget his impact on my life.
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    Do you defenders of Clinton/JFK have any concerns at all about a mans "moral character", if a man betrays and lies to his own family what do you think he will do to the country.

    The thing that gets me are the "Phony Feminists" in the Democratic party that winked and looked the other way while these two "Horny Dogs" dragged their "SISTERS" through the garbage dump.

    Double standard:
    If GW Bush was caught holding another womens hand the Democrats would start another "Civil War" demanding his head.

    What Nasty Sorer Losing Rats The Democratic Party Has Become, I used to be one of them, but they left me.
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    Think you need to put this in a historical context, many powerful men at that time did a ton of indiscretions, the difference is that they were not spoken of publicly and there was less scrutiny. This is less of a Democratic or Republican thing, but more of a power thing and something not publicized. Wasn' it around that time that a powerful Republican from the south was caught drunk, frolicing in a public fountain with a hooker?

    I cannot defend what Clinton did and not defending what JFK did, only reminding the historical context. But what both did pales in comparison to what GWB did and all of his lies that led us to Iraq and the subsequent deaths of many Iraqis and US soldiers.
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    Kennedy represented a new age

    Kennedy was a very different president than those who came before him. He was youthful and forward looking, and the fact is America before Kennedy is nothing like the America that we have today, which is vastly superior in terms of comforts, lifespan, opportunity, and innovation.

    Kennedy was an outstanding, moving, and inspiring speaker. You might check this speech out:

    http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/archive/JFK630610.html

    The space program and civil rights are two of his biggest accomplishments, but he had many others. He was also a war hero, the first Catholic president (which was an issue back then), forced the Soviets to pull their nuclear missiles out of Cuba, pushed for the first nuclear test ban, helped establish Medicaid and Medicare, and fought fiercely against Soviet communism. As far as Civil Rights goes, there's too much to list, but for a brief summary, take a look at this:

    http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/enc_JFK.htm

    (A football-related thing Kennedy did: when the Washington Redskins refused to sign black football players, Kennedy announced they could no longer use their federally funded stadium.The Redskins suddenly saw the light and hired blacks.)

    Kennedy largely purged from the Democratic Party that which Republicans would later harness to win control of the South.

    But, the main thing, Kennedy represented a vision for a new America. Before Kennedy, America was largely dominated by old white men and old families. That may still be the case, but we've taken giants steps toward becoming a more equal society. Kennedy got the ball rolling.
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    The Stanford article is quite illuminating, in that it suggests that Kennedy had to be cajoled into the Civil Rights reforms that he made, following exposure in the national media. Was that due to the influence of the Dixiecrats?
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    Even as early as Roosevelt, you could see that the Democrats were becoming enlightened with regard to blacks. (In fact, Eleanor Roosevelt was called every name in the book for her stands on civil rights.) I don't think Kennedy was cajoled, but instead seized the moment. If it wasn't for civil rights movement, he would have not had the opportunity to help lead, and if he had been a different sort of person, he might very well have chosen not to lead or even paid lip service to the Dixiecrats.

    By the way, happy New Year to you and Ms. GomezCat.
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    I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HISTORY, I AM TALKING ABOUT CHARACTER AND DECENCY AND THE FEELINGS OF HUMAN BEINGS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE "YOUR FAMILY"
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    How would rate GWB's character, lets see,

    Avoids active duty during vietnam
    Has a drinking problem
    Drunk Driving
    Girlfriend has an abortion
    Lies to nation about why we went to Iraq
    Spies on US citizens without court authorization

    I guess it is all ok, because he loves Laura and the twins.
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    Wife killed boyfriend in a suspicious car accident
    Was AWOL while in the military
    Launched a war by mistake
    Failed to protect America on 9/11
    Tried to legalize torture
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    You "Neo Libs" are just as bad as us "Neo Cons", no difference whatsoever. :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

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