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  1. patsfan13

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    The Nazi roots of the 9-11 attack.


    The left like to play the "blame America first" game and pretend that America and it's involvement in the middle East is the problem in the region.

    This is of course, nonsense. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 in Egypt. However they were nurtured by the Nazi's during the 1930's they were financed by the Nazi's and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler and participated int he formulation of the "Final Solution" of the Jewish question, a quest they are following to this day.

    First the relationship and how 9-11 was rooted in Hitler's relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Jew-Hatred and Jihad.pdf


    This article is more specific and focused on the danger the MB is to us.

    Archived-Articles: Why We Should Fear the Moslem Brother


    Onto the subject of Obama and the MB:

    Is Egypt Governable? | JINSA Online

    Again is their a reason we are not leveraging out Foreign aid with Morsi? In street parlance why is Obama Morsi's *****?


    From Today Obama's policies destabilizing the ME:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

     
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    You should have seen the Obama apologist this morning on the political talk shows touting his foreign policy as a success.

    Too bad they wont be there to defend Clinton and Obama when a full investigation is launched.
     
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    Love you guys with your "blame America first" and "apologist" nonsense.

    I guess you actually believe your own bs that the right lives America and the left hates it. Fortunately, you're the only guys buying it.

    If you want to be so naive as to pretend that our own foreign policies don't have consequences, nobody can stop you. But that kind of thinking will just lead us to keep repeating the same mistakes.

    Some of us, otoh, would like to see up stop wasting lives and $ abroad when there are actually some pressing domestic matters.
     
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    There is nothing so amusing as when the rightie know-nothings read one mendacious article, proclaim themselves deep thinkers about the middle east, and spew forth quotes from said article proving conclusively that really, somebody they hate is the Nazis.

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    The mufti was a butthole, the point I've made here myself a number of times. Amin al Husseini was totally down with importing the "final solution," and the Muslim world echoed such sentiments from time to time in the early days of Israel. That's all a matter of record.

    It's also a matter of record that the founders of Israel themselves had some shockingly cynical contacts with the Nazis, based on the incredibly off-base reasoning that they'd move the demographic needle in Israel through the resulting wave of refugees. Do I trumpet that? Do I make a big point of it? Hell no, nor would I. This stuff isn't a game for some of us.

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" goes a long way in feuds of such reverence and standing. Had the Brits gone over and supported Hitler in a joint war on Stalin, Amin al Husseini may have been a flaming communist sympathizer in short order, with the proviso that in the middle east, they'd have to have Islamic communism.

    In any event, while al Husseini gets no reprieve in my book, the Germans funded just about every anti-British Arab group they could find, just as the Brits used anti-Turkish Arab groups to win World War I.

    If you want to get somewhere, look at the historical whole of the region; don't play "connect-the-dots" to score echo-chamber points. Try to figure out where the rhetoric can fall by the way, and where it can't.

    I don't think al Husseini's grand-nephew ever disavowed him in any way. I do know that he worked on-and-off with Israel from the 80s until his death in the 2000s to get closer to making a 2-state solution work. That was Yasser Arafat. Complain all you want that he couldn't sign Taba, but bear in mind the Jihadis were Hamas, not Fatah. (Oh I know, I know, Hamas is just the local Palestinian MB franchise... until you want them to be the local Iranian/Syrian proxy or whatevah.)

    You want to get away from the various historical antipathies? Disarm them by demanding a slightly higher bar of relevance.

    In short, I'm not wedged.

    PFnV
     
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    The Left Wing in America will always try to find a way to Blame America for everything wrong in the world and within America, they have calmed down a little because their little Poopsie Whoopsie is president but watch their little Signs, Drums, Marches and Hate Speeches come out if Romney wins, all the Anti War Phony's will be back.

    Many Crazy Nutcracking Liberals apologized to Japan because we won WWII, friggin screwballs,why didn't they apologize to Germany also, as far as the Atomic Bomb goes if Japan or Germany had come up with it first you would be living in a far different world today (no miranda rights)

    KILROY WAS HERE
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    The left wing is no more about "blaming America" than the right is about, say, molesting kids.
     
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    Yes they are.
     
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    I guess the right is all about molesting kids
     
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    No they're not.
     
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    I hate Nazis that molest children, it is just wrong.
     
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    Apparently they are
     
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    That view hasn't been part of the left since the 1970s. While a few of of those people are still around, they have even less influence in the Democratic Party than Aryan Nation has in the Republican Party. The dominant part of the left today is focused on civil rights in that part of the world, strongly against the ultraconservative Salafi's infiltrating from the Gulf States, and opposes US military involvement. On military involvement, though, the left is united with many Libertarians and even conservatives.

    I think the attempts to link the Muslim Brotherhood are sort of like the attempts to link Bush to Nazi Germany. There's some truth to those claims, but they really only capture a very small part of the story. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is clearly conservative and dangerous, but so far they have done nothing worse than the Christian right would want to do here if they had power. It remains to be seen whether the Muslim Brotherhood will adapt to democracy or follow the route of Mubarek, at which point they will cooperate with the highest bidder.

    There were bad people in both groups. But, the Finns sided with Hitler because the Finns were fighting the Soviets. There were many in the ME who sided with Hitler because they were fighting off Colonialism. By observing the Brotherhood in Egypt, it will give us an idea of what our country would be like if the religious Tea Party wing ever got control in the US. It is indeed scary, but we have to remain helpful that the forces of democracy, the influence of other nations, the internet, and the courage of the young will prevent the forces of regression from gaining power.
     
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    A large number of people on the left 'blamed' the US for 9-11, even currently we see people saying America or some film is at fault for the violence of the past week.




    These are historical facts and are documented in Nazi records that have been examined by historians. Love the word conservative in thsi context, especially since libs are falling all over themselves to say they are not the violent radicals they are as, as as you are in this posting.




    Laughable absurd attempt to smear the Tea Party who have committed nothing resembling violence like you brothers in the OWS movement. Try to equate a movement which has extermination of a religious group with a troup that seeks to reduce the role of government is obscene and only show your biases and lack of knowledge.
     
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    Righhhhht,
     
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    No, a tiny number on the left blames the US for 9/11, and a tiny number on the right believe that 9/11 was some sort of conspiracy.

    As I said, the Finns associated with the Nazis because they were fighting the Soviets. The Arabs supported the Nazis because they were fighting the Colonialists. Those were relationships primarily of political expedience, as was the American alliance with Stalin. I think liberals are saying we don't yet know if the Brotherhood consists of violent radicals, but we need to keep an eye on them. To some degree, I feel that way about the Tea Party, just as you feel that way about American liberals. I am not saying you're wrong, but I am saying we should see how this plays out. So far the Muslim Brotherhood is imposing conservative religious beliefs, but not taking extreme positions. There are probably several factions fighting to direct the group, some more moderate than others. What do you think? We should declare war on the ME? End diplomacy? Are you proposing something, or just complaining?

    There are elements in the Tea Party who believe that gay rights should be curbed, that the separation of church and state should be weakened, that pornography should be outlawed, that women's rights should be impinged upon, that Creationism should replace Evolution, and so on. I don't think these people will get power, but if they did, in what ways would they be different from the Muslim Brotherhood? Now, you can speculate that the Muslim Brotherhood will export terrorism, and that's possible, but I don't think that question can be definitively answered yet. I doubt if the Muslim Brotherhood is any more monolithic than the Democratic or Republican Parties. Right now it's behavior is conservative, not reckless, and only time will tell how it will evolve.

    The Nazi stuff is crap, pf13. The anti-western and anti-Jewish sentiment has to do more with the legacy of Colonialism than anything else. Since the 1950s the west has started the process of allowing former colonies the right of self-determination. It's a long painful process, but frankly even with all the problems, the world has overall become a less violent, not more violent, place.
     
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    What is interesting here is the very weak and feeble attempt to somehow link the term Nazi to the Democrats, the use of obscure documents and right wing blog entries are used as evidence.

    All the while they use the language of the right, which in many people's mind mirror current events.. take the term "illegal immigrant".. Elie Weisel said, "no human being is illegal", and by using this term it is an effort to dehumanize immigrants.. which laid the foundation of the subsequent holocaust by Nazi Germany. The term "illegal immigrant" was first used in 1939 as a slur by the British toward Jews who were fleeing the Nazis and entering Palestine without authorization.

    Even the Supreme Court in their June 2012 decision refrained from using the word illegal, however turn on Fox News any day of the week as well as most other media, the use of illegal abounds..

    So do you want to deal with the obscure and vague, but miss the obvious.
     
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    How many decades do think it will take before Americans would be willing to vote in a Muslim president?

    My guess is at least 7 decades....
     

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