Jets Pass On Jim Leonard

[Kontradiction]

I see what you are saying, but still not a relevant comparison. Harrison did not have a significant injury like Leonhard did. Harrison had some nagging injuries, but nothing like a torn PCL. Also, Harrison looked like he might not be elite anymore to a lot of people, but was still considered by most that he was still a solid safety. He was cut by the Chargers for cap reasons, not because he couldn't play anymore. Harrison had three teams chasing him and got a good multiyear deal a week after free agency began. Harrison was fully healthy to participate in all the offseason activities while Leonhard could end up starting the season on PUP. Two totally different situations.

I'm not against signing him to an one year prove it deal. I think if Leonhard is healthy and fully recovered, he can at least help situationally. It is my understanding though (and I could be wrong) that recovering from a torn PCL can take longer than recovering from a torn ACL and he only tore it 8-9 months ago.

I just think comparing him to Harrison in 2003 has no basis in the facts though. The two situations couldn't be much more different in other than they both had injuries the previous year.

I just don't think the significance of injury is relevant to my first post as the only comparison I was making was the general opinion on Harrison in the 2003 offseason as compared with the opinion on Leonard. Most fans were in agreement (and Rodney has stated this himself) that Rodney was on the back nine of his career at this point. That same opinion seems to be held about Leonard. It's held about Leonard for a completely different reason, but it doesn't change the fact that the opinions on both players when they were allowed to walk by their selective teams are essentially the same.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Jim Leonard is a football player. He was a team leader, he was productive, and he also returned kicks. Sucks that he got hurt 2 years in a row, but if he can get healthy then he will be playing somewhere in 2012. Jets would be stupid to let him go. Especially considering their depth at safety and lack of team leadership.

Good post.

 

[jmt57]

I wouldn't mind giving him a look. Let's face it, at safety we have:

Chung - Who I like, but seems to miss a few games every year.

Gregory - Who I also like, but new guys are hit or miss until we see how they fit in.

Wilson - Rookies are never reliable, especially at safety. If he's going to be good he's likely not going to be good right away.

Barrett - No idea, never been healthy.

Ihedighbo - Should be a ST/depth guy only.

There's potential there, and we could see some CB's playing safety, but everyone has a question mark. Adding another body to the mix would up the chances of finding the right answer.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the safety position. After Chung and Gregory, there is a lack of quality depth. As a unit safety was the worst position on the team in 2011. The Pats did improve by adding Gregory, but I wish they had done more. After the two starters there is a rookie and several guys (Ihedigbo, Brown, Barrett) who should only be considered special teams specialists - i.e., nobody that I have any faith in if or when they are called upon due to the inevitable injury. PatsWickedPissa may have the best idea: let him start the season on PUP, and make a decision after week six.

Better this. Sign him and put him on PUP as he heals. No hit to the 53. That way as the season progresses BB can activate him if he's healed and injuries deplete our weak safety corps or if he's done, give him an injury settlement. Unless a physical reveals he runs slower than Brady, I'd take a shot at this position of need.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Without even discussing the merits of Leonard (or lack thereof) I have to say that it wouldn't hurt to bring in as much safety competition as possible considering Chung will almost certainly miss some games this season (his style of play dictates it). The defense, I feel, is markedly better when he's on the field. However, staying on the field has been more than challenging for him (to no real fault of his own). The safety position would be a lot less concerning if we at least felt that Chung could last a full season.

 

[Rob0729]

I just don't think the significance of injury is relevant to my first post as the only comparison I was making was the general opinion on Harrison in the 2003 offseason as compared with the opinion on Leonard. Most fans were in agreement (and Rodney has stated this himself) that Rodney was on the back nine of his career at this point. That same opinion seems to be held about Leonard. It's held about Leonard for a completely different reason, but it doesn't change the fact that the opinions on both players when they were allowed to walk by their selective teams are essentially the same.

I still don't get the correlation. Harrison had doubters because he had a down year, he has had nagging injuries in his last few years in San Deigo which had him missing at least two game in each season in three of his last four years in San Deigo, and people felt his physical style of play may have taken a tollon his body. Leonhard had a significant, season ending injury (after having another significant, season ending injury the year before) and may not be physically able to play football until November for all we know at this point (assuming he starts the season on the PUP). Two totally different situations.

Harrison was considered on the back nine of his career because his play slipped his last year in San Deigo. Leonhard is considered to be potentially done because he had two years in a row of major injuries and was never more than an average player to begin with.

If there were any real similarities between the two, I would see your point. The opinion of Harrison had to do with injuries, but more of a long term abuse wearing down his body. Leonhard has had two major injuries both to his right leg (a torn PCL last year and broken tibia the year before). Even the injuries are different.

Hey, now that he is no longer a Jet, I hope I am wrong. I hope he does rebound like Harrison did. I just think Harrison is a bad example because the reasoning about him is totally different.

Besides, three teams made a run at Harrison in 2003 within a week of the start of free agency. So the belief about the demise of his career was probably not an universal belief. Also, I remember myself and everyone else being ecstatic when when the Pats signed him. Leonhard may be sitting on the open market by the start of the season.

 

[Kontradiction]

I still don't get the correlation. Harrison had doubters because he had a down year, he has had nagging injuries in his last few years in San Deigo which had him missing at least two game in each season in three of his last four years in San Deigo, and people felt his physical style of play may have taken a tollon his body. Leonhard had a significant, season ending injury (after having another significant, season ending injury the year before) and may not be physically able to play football until November for all we know at this point (assuming he starts the season on the PUP). Two totally different situations.

Harrison was considered on the back nine of his career because his play slipped his last year in San Deigo. Leonhard is considered to be potentially done because he had two years in a row of major injuries and was never more than an average player to begin with.

If there were any real similarities between the two, I would see your point. The opinion of Harrison had to do with injuries, but more of a long term abuse wearing down his body. Leonhard has had two major injuries both to his right leg (a torn PCL last year and broken tibia the year before). Even the injuries are different.

Hey, now that he is no longer a Jet, I hope I am wrong. I hope he does rebound like Harrison did. I just think Harrison is a bad example because the reasoning about him is totally different.

Besides, three teams made a run at Harrison in 2003 within a week of the start of free agency. So the belief about the demise of his career was probably not an universal belief. Also, I remember myself and everyone else being ecstatic when when the Pats signed him. Leonhard may be sitting on the open market by the start of the season.

You're not understanding the correlation because there is no correlation to be made. Nor did I try. You stated that you thought Leonard was done and I stated that that is what people thought about Rodney. Other than that, I made no attempt to correlate injuries or careers. It was basically my way of saying, "yeah but we should at least take a look at him before dismissing him as done".

 

[RobertWeathers]

Meh. In the grand scheme of things, the Pats signed Rodney for peanuts and because he produced big-time, he outperformed his contract. If he hadn't missed 13 games the the prior 3 years his price would have been twice the Pats paid and be much more than 19th on the team's 2003 cap. They signed him because if the stayed healthy, he had a ton of upside.

The Jets followed the same principal with the Landry signing. Top talent. Big vs the run. Hasn't stayed healthy however if he does stay healthy, he is a very good player. Bell is a safety valve in case Landry gets hurt again.

Maybe Leonard wanted too much money for what they thought he was worth and out of respect let him go find it. Maybe the Jets think that regardless of his health, hes done improving and offers no upside. Who knows.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Meh. In the grand scheme of things, the Pats signed Rodney for peanuts and because he produced big-time, he outperformed his contract. If he hadn't missed 13 games the the prior 3 years his price would have been twice the Pats paid and be much more than 19th on the team's 2003 cap. They signed him because if the stayed healthy, he had a ton of upside.

The Jets followed the same principal with the Landry signing. Top talent. Big vs the run. Hasn't stayed healthy however if he does stay healthy, he is a very good player. Bell is a safety valve in case Landry gets hurt again.

Maybe Leonard wanted too much money for what they thought he was worth and out of respect let him go find it. Maybe the Jets think that regardless of his health, hes done improving and offers no upside. Who knows.

I wouldn't call Landry a top talent. The guy can't cover. His chances of staying healthy are also extremely low, because he still refuses to get his achilles surgically repaired. When he first injured it, he refused surgery, which was why he promptly injured it again last season. Then, proving that he's too stupid to learn, he again opted not to have it surgically repaired, which means that it'll end his season again as surely as if it was Kris Jenkins' ACL.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wouldn't call Landry a top talent. The guy can't cover. His chances of staying healthy are also extremely low, because he still refuses to get his achilles surgically repaired. When he first injured it, he refused surgery, which was why he promptly injured it again last season. Then, proving that he's too stupid to learn, he again opted not to have it surgically repaired, which means that it'll end his season again as surely as if it was Kris Jenkins' ACL.

I hear you. As the 6th pick in the draft, I think hes pretty talented and hes had a decent- not great NFL career for a crappy team. I don't classify him as a cover guy either as hes more of a SS and his ball skills are marginal but he does break up a few here and there. he might work out for jets but to your point I would not hold my breath.

no question that hes not the sharpest knife in the drawer. he should have had the surgery 2 years ago.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Better this. Sign him and put him on PUP as he heals. No hit to the 53. That way as the season progresses BB can activate him if he's healed and injuries deplete our weak safety corps or if he's done, give him an injury settlement. Unless a physical reveals he runs slower than Brady, I'd take a shot at this position of need.

Like ya thinkin!
And let's say Leonard is close to 100% BB thinks he can get playing time in exhibition games and sees he made a smooth transition pickin up his different D pkgs with his leader qualities it won't hurt. IMO take a shot, I mean we're lookin at like 100 TEs why not zero in on an area that is of major concern. I like what what we have and where we're trying to go but it's a long season more dept at S certainly needs to at least be looked into if available.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Like ya thinkin!
And let's say Leonard is close to 100% BB thinks he can get playing time in exhibition games and sees he made a smooth transition pickin up his different D pkgs with his leader qualities it won't hurt. IMO take a shot, I mean we're lookin at like 100 TEs why not zero in on an area that is of major concern. I like what what we have and where we're trying to go but it's a long season more dept at S certainly needs to at least be looked into if available.

PUP counts towards the camp roster. Would rather save that for Carter and another blue-bird that always falls in BBs lap during the summer.

The O-line is a much higher priority.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

pup counts towards the camp roster. Would rather save that for Carter and another blue-bird that always falls in BBs lap during the summer.

Any word on Carter's injury, progress and any talks in NE area about if he is still in Pats mix? I read somewhere that Carter still wants to be here and other teams are interested.

 

[jmt57]

PUP counts towards the camp roster. Would rather save that for Carter and another blue-bird that always falls in BBs lap during the summer.

The O-line is a much higher priority.

On the other hand the TC roster is 90 players; it was just a short time ago that teams seemed to manage fine with 80 players. I don't think using a couple of spots on PUP players is going to have that adverse of an effect.

If or when Carter is ready or another decent player becomes available, room can be created with the departure of somebody like Chris Koepplin, Mike Rivera, Tyler Urban, Jamey Richard, etc.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Any word on Carter's injury, progress and any talks in NE area about if he is still in Pats mix? I read somewhere that Carter still wants to be here and other teams are interested.

he claims hes lifting weights/doing squats, running on the beach and doing some football-related drills.

Seems like loved it here and wants to come back. who knows what BB is thinking. I'm sure hes high on his list. just needs to be healthy and have the numbers work...

 

[RobertWeathers]

On the other hand the TC roster is 90 players; it was just a short time ago that teams seemed to manage fine with 80 players. I don't think using a couple of spots on PUP players is going to have that adverse of an effect.

If or when Carter is ready or another decent player becomes available, room can be created with the departure of somebody like Chris Koepplin, Mike Rivera, Tyler Urban, Jamey Richard, etc.

Mike Rivera is a future All-Pro. How dare you!!!!

True, spots can be made by cutting lesser players that have no chance of making the team.

 

[lurker1965]

My feeling is sign my dead grandmother and see if she's any good during camp. If she is, cool. If she isn't, call the turk.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Can't stay healthy...but sign him to give us the jets secrets...

hell what am i talking about...sucking isn't a secret.

 

[Kontradiction]

Can't stay healthy...but sign him to give us the jets secrets...

hell what am i talking about...sucking isn't a secret.

There's no secret. You beat Sanchez like you beat Tebow. Set the edges, keep him in the pocket, and take him off his first read and Sanchez is done.

 

[Patriot Missile]

There is only 4 Jets that peak any interest from me talent wise. Harris Revis Mangold and Leonard. The rest is a whole bunch of suckage.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is only 4 Jets that peak any interest from me talent wise. Harris Revis Mangold and Leonard. The rest is a whole bunch of suckage.

Pouha and U Maine product Mike DeVito would help the line and are both upgrades over Brace. DeVito would replace Pryor.

Slauson is someone i'd look at for G. Good young player.