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Section 3 FRAME



‘That’s Football’

"Reaction around the league office was, 'That's football' "
— AFC Spokesman Steve Alic, December 2006
In response to stories of improper use of videotape by the Miami Dolphins

The staggering penalty imposed on the Patriots created the perception that this was a rare and unusual occurrence, which called for a rare and unusual consequence. As we've all learned from folks like Jimmy Johnson, it wasn't.
— CBS Sportsline’s Mike Freeman, March 2008

Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking. I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established.
— NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, March 2008 memo to NFL competition committee, as reported in The Washington Post.


Is the “Cameragate” story a one-time-only example of cheating by one hypercompetitive pro football coach? Or were the actions of Bill Belichick, on the part of the New England Patriots, part of a continuum of off-field gamesmanship, engaged in frequently by NFL head coaches?

“Cameragate” coverage so often lacks context that one could easily conclude the former: that the coach of the Patriots, in flagrant violation of a clearly-worded league rule and a subsequent memo, simply banked on never getting caught, or arrogantly flaunted his own aberrant behavior, in the belief that he was above prosecution.

In the FRAMe fact-sheet ‘ “Offseason Memo” Was in 2006, Not 2007,’ we demonstrate that at least two teams from the Patriots’ own division skirted the edges of the league memo between its 2006 release, and the Patriots’ 2007 infraction. One of those two teams was the New York Jets, the very organization that alerted the league to the Patriots videotaping practices. Tellingly, Commissioner Roger Goodell, in declining action against the Jets’ own 2006 actions, makes the point that the Patriots did not come forward with a complaint against the Jets.
But gamesmanship – or cheating, if one prefers – in the NFL did not begin in 2007, with the “Cameragate” scandal, nor with the Dolphins’ and Jets’ own videotape mis-steps of 2006, nor with the League’s 2006 offseason memo, nor with the thus-far uncorroborated complaint that the Patriots taped the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI.
Spying in the NFL was a well-established art by the time one Lee Grosscup wrote an August 1967 Sport magazine article, “Spying in Pro Football.” Grosscup – himself a former quarterback (and spy) – writes:
In addition to interrogating former players, other football espionage techniques include:
Watching practices. . . (Usually requires binoculars, sometimes a love of tree climbing.)
Stealing notebooks. . . (One AFL coach, whose autobiography will no doubt be called "The Collector," has allegedly collected a notebook from every other team in the. league.)
Bugging. . . Particularly scouting phones, locker rooms, training rooms and meeting rooms. (Most effective, though plantee had best not be caught with his insurance lapsed.)
Filming practices. . . Requires a super spy plus special equipment.
Spy-messenger . . . On game days this spy is usually disguised as a writer or photographer who snoops on one team and relays information to his employer. (Need a guy who looks like a writer or photographer; that is, disheveled.)
Among the incidents Grosscup disclosed, over 40 years ago, were these:
• When Raiders owner Al Davis suspected spies were watching his practices, he ran 12-man formations to confuse the enemy;
• Giants coach Al Sherman would often send a staff member to disperse crowds at the Lexington Avenue subway stop overlooking Yankee stadium, wary of spies among them;
• Grosscup relates numerous incidents of what the CIA would call “HumInt” – or human intelligence. They range from casual in-game inquiries of opposing team doctors about injuries, to the Rams’ rumored two-and-a-half-hour debriefing of a recently released Falcons player, focusing on the Falcons’ game-plan against the Rams that week;
• “Papa Bear” George Halas of Chicago went to court to try to stop George Allen from becoming the head coach of the Rams. Grosscup recounts one columnist’s judgment of his motivation: “Halas didn’t want to lose his ‘super spy.’”
• The Rams themselves employed a detective, whose purpose was to conduct counterespionage against other teams’ spies;
• When the Rams played the Bears at Wrigley Field, former linebacker Les Richter use to sweep the dressing rooms for bugs.
• A scout for the Bears relates a story of a game at the LA Coliseum. He relates what he sees from the press box to the field: “they were trapping Ed Sprinkle real bad…” The trouble is, he is using the phones in the Coliseum press box. He hears tapping noises on the phone, and discontinues the call. “By the time I got to the field they had trapped Sprinkle five more times and scored on the damn play…. [but afterwards] They didn’t hurt us with the trap anymore because I showed Halas what they were doing….”
• “The Chiefs are the Bears of the AFL,” Davis says. “Lamar Hunt has come out publicly and admitted it…. he’s admitted budgeting for espionage.”
• Former Kansas City executive Don Klosterman says of the Chiefs: “Kansas City spies, we caught ‘em last year…. They had this guy who was supposedly a roving photographer, but he was really a spy… Every time one of our coaches would say something important to one of our players, this guy would… relay the information…. we’ve got pictures of it.”
• Grosscup asks what happened, and Klosterman replies, “We registered a complaint….Kansas City got fined for it. That was their second offense with us. We caught ‘em during preseason taking pictures of our practices with a Polaroid.”
• Many other incidents, involving many other teams, are documented. The Raiders’ Davis counsels, however, “You’ll never get them confirmed because everybody denies it… they all say ‘we just don’t do those things.’ But you can take it from me, they do.”
Although the Grosscup article dates from 1967, surprisingly contemporary references to “modern” technology appear throughout, especially as regards filming and photographing of opposing teams. Disciplinary measures such as fines are also mentioned, and teams are referred to as being “caught” at spying. It isn’t that spying was once legal, and now is not; it is that spying has always been against the rules, yet has always been practiced, and, when brought forward, has historically been lightly punished.

One virtually indispensable coda at the end of a segment or article on “Cameragate” seems to be “what the Patriots did was different.” The trouble is that none of the criteria hold up: that the Patriots snuck around and did off-field “white collar” stuff (this has been in the league for decades); that the Patriots were flouting a recently released memo; that the Patriots used this tricky modern technology. All of those things are duplicated in other such incidents over the same year that the Patriots did them.

Even the behavior pundits like to call “flouting the Commissioner’s memo” is being repeated as we speak. Sports Illustrated’s Peter King reports possession of a January 31, 2007 memo from the league, reminding teams that tampering will not be tolerated in the 2008 offseason. King quotes the memo as reading in part,
"You are specifically reminded that any contact -- direct or indirect -- by one club with players under contract to another club, about potential future employment, is not permitted. Such contacts could potentially interfere with the employer-employee relationship of the second club. Further, any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player to the player's agent or representative, or to the news media, is a violation of the Anti-Tampering Policy.

Yet how often did we turn on a sports network, or open a sports page this February, and read about a team saying or hinting they would make a run at one or another free agent? Now that there is a memo out, is this the sort of behavior that “now” rises to the level of Belichickian monstrosity?

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has admitted that a great number of unfair competitive practices are rampant in the league, and he appears bent on cleaning up those practices. His anti-tampering memo, as King mentions, is one signal of this. His more recent appeal for greater power to bring league penalties with a lower standard of proof, is another.

Ask the tough question: What, exactly, is different and unprecedented about “Cameragate”? Would we care, were this not a team with three fairly recent super bowl wins, and a fourth, more recent, super bowl appearance?

Were the team in question the Houston Texans, would there even be a story?

Commissioner Goodell seems intent on ferreting out a league culture that’s survived at least since the 1960s, and he started in New England. Senator Arlen Specter seems to believe the story begins and ends in New England, and is attempting to bring the story into the halls of congress.

But from the looks of the historic record, there is no reason to believe that the staff of any given team – even Specter’s beloved Eagles – will emerge unscathed.
If Steve Alic’s 2006 quote, “That’s Football,” will no longer suffice as our collective reaction to gamesmanship among the coaching fraternity, it can no longer suffice for the whole league, not just one successful franchise. It appears that Commissioner Goodell is seeking to ensure exactly that.
 
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Wasn't there some really good website that was set up to catalog and shoot down all the sloppy, wrong and wild ascertions made versus what the Pats actually were punished for in cameragate? I forgot the name, but if you have a link to that site, this might be a good place to remind folks about it.
There might be some threads including some of the content here from two years ago, but that website is history.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/98/247762-spygate-article.html#post1415414
In a move that at the very least I should have shared with other activist FRAMe types, but regrettably didn't (sorry dudes,) I recently de-funded FRAMe, which had served its purpose. After a couple of years with very little need for more updates, I figured it was time to let it die.

Okay didn't mean to squash the thread... carry on



Edit: Looks like Hardboiled has saved some useful information on this topic ...
 
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FRAMe!!!! That's it. Thanks, Hardboiled!!!
 
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sticky this FRAMe...
 
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sticky this FRAMe...

OK, it took some doing, but it's now a sticky.
 
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A bell rings and an angel gets their wings.

A BCS team cheats and the NCAA penalizes a Sunbelt Conference Team.

The Jets are fined and another Cameragate thread rears its ugly head.

:rocker:
 
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sticky this FRAMe...

Ok, so that is great article but what part of that proves you correct? It's backing up everything I've said AFAIK, there were rules in place that weren't being enforced in regards to filming, the league sent out a memo in regards to this, the Pats ignored the warning and got caught breaking those rules and were heavily punished, not just for the game against the jets but for all the filming right? Hell as far as I can tell we pretty much agree, except you can't stop freaking for no reason?

you're using the policy to fabricate a LIE. Yes, the policy was in effect for years, and IGNORED by every team.That is why the memo came out to REMIND teams that the practice should cease. Belichick viewed the language of the memo sent out in September 2006 and continued to run the Patriots and do scouting work in the manner they'd been doing it. Goodell said NOTHING, issued NOTHING and ruled NOTHING until Spetember of 2007 when he fined the Patriots and BB for disobeying HIS memo of 2006. There was and is NO tie in to "for years earlier!!!" that YOU posted. That is a LIE. YOU are a liar.WE have endured many attacks on our team of choice by people like you since 2007.....lie after lie after lie all using the event itself as a jumping off point.THe odious, reprehensible lie about the taped walkthrough before the Rams/Pats Super Bowl for example.The liar who made that "public' used the exact same strategy YOU are trying to get away with...puke up "Spygate!!!!" and then print whatever the hell damn libelous garbage that underpins your pinheaded little agenda.

Edit: I didn't even see you post this. You are seriously wacked.

I just went to the green sewers J.I. and Gangrene looking at threads and specific posts that mirror this RHbT76 take and lo and behold, a 14K posts Beerfish comes out with an almost exact same post at the same time.

Yeah, nice try "Beer" as they call you at the sewer...try Ripple or some other cheap jacked up with alcohol "beverage" and stop trolling Pats fans.

Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
lol, Pats cheat via video tape for 5 years including super bowl winning years and after being specifically warned about it and get $500,000 one trip and a line up behind the out of bounds line = $100,000
 
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Some may wonder "Why all this Spygate talk again now?"

Well, this Jets fine doesn't happen unless the penalty for Spygate happened before. As many predicted, Goodell put himself in this position with his grandstanding in 2007. Spygate became his "holier than thou" benchmark.

Without Goodell and his 2007 histrionics, Tripgate gets handled like it should have been. Problem gets solved. Coach probably gets same discipline (can't interfere with the game) and team gets some sort of penalty or oversight for the wall. Other teams take note. That is how Spygate should have been handled. The NFL took the tape during the Jets game, they could have told the Pats that practice ends and the NFL will take all further tapes and more consequences. One step at a time. Instead Goodell went nuclear to make himself feel more important.

Tripgate is nothing outside the tripping. The wall? Big deal. Put some NFL guys to monitor the team and compliance. If that doesn't work, step it up. Solve the problem. But in 2007, Goodell wanted to go on TV and be Mr. Big.

Anyone who works with correcting behavior in others knows you don't overreact or else you are held to that measure of overreaction when trying to correct other behavior later. Tripgate's fine is a joke and a mess that stems from the Spygate joke and mess.
 
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Ok, so that is great article but what part of that proves you correct? It's backing up everything I've said AFAIK, there were rules in place that weren't being enforced in regards to filming, the league sent out a memo in regards to this, the Pats ignored the warning and got caught breaking those rules and were heavily punished, not just for the game against the jets but for all the filming right? Hell as far as I can tell we pretty much agree, except you can't stop freaking for no reason?

yup...that's right...for all the filming...which consisted of the SIX confiscated films from 2006.,..which WERE shot after the September memo in 2006. THERE IS NO OTHER FILMING EVIDENCE PREDATING THESE SIX....I know it's really hard to understand...like trying to make people understand there was no filming of the walkthrough before the Rams/Pats Super Bowl.THAT is what Goodell is referring to when he says "previous incidents". When asked directly his answer is "this is all the evidence the NFL has on this issue and we have destroyed it.The matter is settled." Now anyone can say the Patriots filmed from the sideline since 2001 all they want to...until someone provides ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL EVIDENCE this occurred, what you have here is a "the moon is made of green cheese" argument.
 
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I thought you were a Jet troll ,R2tr46d or whatever your handle is...Shmessy made me realize you aren't...my mistake...I apologize...it's just that YOUR take so closely mirrors those I've read at GG and JI, I figured you to be yet another in a long line of fake Pats fans that log in here from those sites.
 
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jet fan does realize that most of the pats video dept. that was responsible for cameragate was employed by the jets when they ratted out the pats, right ?
 
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Section 3 FRAME



‘That’s Football’

"Reaction around the league office was, 'That's football' "
— AFC Spokesman Steve Alic, December 2006
In response to stories of improper use of videotape by the Miami Dolphins

The staggering penalty imposed on the Patriots created the perception that this was a rare and unusual occurrence, which called for a rare and unusual consequence. As we've all learned from folks like Jimmy Johnson, it wasn't.
— CBS Sportsline’s Mike Freeman, March 2008

Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking. I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established.
— NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, March 2008 memo to NFL competition committee, as reported in The Washington Post.


Is the “Cameragate” story a one-time-only example of cheating by one hypercompetitive pro football coach? Or were the actions of Bill Belichick, on the part of the New England Patriots, part of a continuum of off-field gamesmanship, engaged in frequently by NFL head coaches?

“Cameragate” coverage so often lacks context that one could easily conclude the former: that the coach of the Patriots, in flagrant violation of a clearly-worded league rule and a subsequent memo, simply banked on never getting caught, or arrogantly flaunted his own aberrant behavior, in the belief that he was above prosecution.

In the FRAMe fact-sheet ‘ “Offseason Memo” Was in 2006, Not 2007,’ we demonstrate that at least two teams from the Patriots’ own division skirted the edges of the league memo between its 2006 release, and the Patriots’ 2007 infraction. One of those two teams was the New York Jets, the very organization that alerted the league to the Patriots videotaping practices. Tellingly, Commissioner Roger Goodell, in declining action against the Jets’ own 2006 actions, makes the point that the Patriots did not come forward with a complaint against the Jets.
But gamesmanship – or cheating, if one prefers – in the NFL did not begin in 2007, with the “Cameragate” scandal, nor with the Dolphins’ and Jets’ own videotape mis-steps of 2006, nor with the League’s 2006 offseason memo, nor with the thus-far uncorroborated complaint that the Patriots taped the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI.
Spying in the NFL was a well-established art by the time one Lee Grosscup wrote an August 1967 Sport magazine article, “Spying in Pro Football.” Grosscup – himself a former quarterback (and spy) – writes:
In addition to interrogating former players, other football espionage techniques include:
Watching practices. . . (Usually requires binoculars, sometimes a love of tree climbing.)
Stealing notebooks. . . (One AFL coach, whose autobiography will no doubt be called "The Collector," has allegedly collected a notebook from every other team in the. league.)
Bugging. . . Particularly scouting phones, locker rooms, training rooms and meeting rooms. (Most effective, though plantee had best not be caught with his insurance lapsed.)
Filming practices. . . Requires a super spy plus special equipment.
Spy-messenger . . . On game days this spy is usually disguised as a writer or photographer who snoops on one team and relays information to his employer. (Need a guy who looks like a writer or photographer; that is, disheveled.)
Among the incidents Grosscup disclosed, over 40 years ago, were these:
• When Raiders owner Al Davis suspected spies were watching his practices, he ran 12-man formations to confuse the enemy;
• Giants coach Al Sherman would often send a staff member to disperse crowds at the Lexington Avenue subway stop overlooking Yankee stadium, wary of spies among them;
• Grosscup relates numerous incidents of what the CIA would call “HumInt” – or human intelligence. They range from casual in-game inquiries of opposing team doctors about injuries, to the Rams’ rumored two-and-a-half-hour debriefing of a recently released Falcons player, focusing on the Falcons’ game-plan against the Rams that week;
• “Papa Bear” George Halas of Chicago went to court to try to stop George Allen from becoming the head coach of the Rams. Grosscup recounts one columnist’s judgment of his motivation: “Halas didn’t want to lose his ‘super spy.’”
• The Rams themselves employed a detective, whose purpose was to conduct counterespionage against other teams’ spies;
• When the Rams played the Bears at Wrigley Field, former linebacker Les Richter use to sweep the dressing rooms for bugs.
• A scout for the Bears relates a story of a game at the LA Coliseum. He relates what he sees from the press box to the field: “they were trapping Ed Sprinkle real bad…” The trouble is, he is using the phones in the Coliseum press box. He hears tapping noises on the phone, and discontinues the call. “By the time I got to the field they had trapped Sprinkle five more times and scored on the damn play…. [but afterwards] They didn’t hurt us with the trap anymore because I showed Halas what they were doing….”
• “The Chiefs are the Bears of the AFL,” Davis says. “Lamar Hunt has come out publicly and admitted it…. he’s admitted budgeting for espionage.”
• Former Kansas City executive Don Klosterman says of the Chiefs: “Kansas City spies, we caught ‘em last year…. They had this guy who was supposedly a roving photographer, but he was really a spy… Every time one of our coaches would say something important to one of our players, this guy would… relay the information…. we’ve got pictures of it.”
• Grosscup asks what happened, and Klosterman replies, “We registered a complaint….Kansas City got fined for it. That was their second offense with us. We caught ‘em during preseason taking pictures of our practices with a Polaroid.”
• Many other incidents, involving many other teams, are documented. The Raiders’ Davis counsels, however, “You’ll never get them confirmed because everybody denies it… they all say ‘we just don’t do those things.’ But you can take it from me, they do.”
Although the Grosscup article dates from 1967, surprisingly contemporary references to “modern” technology appear throughout, especially as regards filming and photographing of opposing teams. Disciplinary measures such as fines are also mentioned, and teams are referred to as being “caught” at spying. It isn’t that spying was once legal, and now is not; it is that spying has always been against the rules, yet has always been practiced, and, when brought forward, has historically been lightly punished.

One virtually indispensable coda at the end of a segment or article on “Cameragate” seems to be “what the Patriots did was different.” The trouble is that none of the criteria hold up: that the Patriots snuck around and did off-field “white collar” stuff (this has been in the league for decades); that the Patriots were flouting a recently released memo; that the Patriots used this tricky modern technology. All of those things are duplicated in other such incidents over the same year that the Patriots did them.

Even the behavior pundits like to call “flouting the Commissioner’s memo” is being repeated as we speak. Sports Illustrated’s Peter King reports possession of a January 31, 2007 memo from the league, reminding teams that tampering will not be tolerated in the 2008 offseason. King quotes the memo as reading in part,
"You are specifically reminded that any contact -- direct or indirect -- by one club with players under contract to another club, about potential future employment, is not permitted. Such contacts could potentially interfere with the employer-employee relationship of the second club. Further, any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player to the player's agent or representative, or to the news media, is a violation of the Anti-Tampering Policy.

Yet how often did we turn on a sports network, or open a sports page this February, and read about a team saying or hinting they would make a run at one or another free agent? Now that there is a memo out, is this the sort of behavior that “now” rises to the level of Belichickian monstrosity?

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has admitted that a great number of unfair competitive practices are rampant in the league, and he appears bent on cleaning up those practices. His anti-tampering memo, as King mentions, is one signal of this. His more recent appeal for greater power to bring league penalties with a lower standard of proof, is another.

Ask the tough question: What, exactly, is different and unprecedented about “Cameragate”? Would we care, were this not a team with three fairly recent super bowl wins, and a fourth, more recent, super bowl appearance?

Were the team in question the Houston Texans, would there even be a story?

Commissioner Goodell seems intent on ferreting out a league culture that’s survived at least since the 1960s, and he started in New England. Senator Arlen Specter seems to believe the story begins and ends in New England, and is attempting to bring the story into the halls of congress.

But from the looks of the historic record, there is no reason to believe that the staff of any given team – even Specter’s beloved Eagles – will emerge unscathed.
If Steve Alic’s 2006 quote, “That’s Football,” will no longer suffice as our collective reaction to gamesmanship among the coaching fraternity, it can no longer suffice for the whole league, not just one successful franchise. It appears that Commissioner Goodell is seeking to ensure exactly that.

Interesting stuff. Mods...can these docs be posted permanently via separate link?
 
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Some may wonder "Why all this Spygate talk again now?"

Well, this Jets fine doesn't happen unless the penalty for Spygate happened before. As many predicted, Goodell put himself in this position with his grandstanding in 2007. Spygate became his "holier than thou" benchmark.

Without Goodell and his 2007 histrionics, Tripgate gets handled like it should have been. Problem gets solved. Coach probably gets same discipline (can't interfere with the game) and team gets some sort of penalty or oversight for the wall. Other teams take note. That is how Spygate should have been handled. The NFL took the tape during the Jets game, they could have told the Pats that practice ends and the NFL will take all further tapes and more consequences. One step at a time. Instead Goodell went nuclear to make himself feel more important.

Tripgate is nothing outside the tripping. The wall? Big deal. Put some NFL guys to monitor the team and compliance. If that doesn't work, step it up. Solve the problem. But in 2007, Goodell wanted to go on TV and be Mr. Big.

Anyone who works with correcting behavior in others knows you don't overreact or else you are held to that measure of overreaction when trying to correct other behavior later. Tripgate's fine is a joke and a mess that stems from the Spygate joke and mess.

Amen!.....
 
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Did anyone really expect anything other than a wrist slap from the former employee of the Jets. By the way I wonder who got fined for leaqking the confidential tapes from the Commissioner's office.
 
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I gave sexy wrecksie 3 years before he's run out of town...I'm sticking with that prediction.

Jet fans still think he's a great coach most likely due to their playoff gift and their mini run against the Bungles and the Chokers. His act will grow old after they get bounced in round 1 and then go back to a .500 team next season.

It must really be painful to follow that team. I can almost understand why their fans are such a@@holes

for the last couple of weeks I have been going on the gang green forum, just for laughs. You should read Part 2 of the Game Day thread from the most recent Pats-Jets game. Its funny on one level and very disturbing on another. Funny in that it is clear many Jets fans have turned on the Fat Boy already and his act is already old for them. Disturbing because, as the game goes on, a large number of them wanted to see Brady hurt, BB die, refs have their skulls crushed, etc, etc,...I mean, some really sick, twisted stuff. What really got me was at one point some idiot used the "N" word against the announcer Mike Tirico, and was imediately banned...meanwhile, within about 20 posts someone wanted Brady killed and Giselle raped...and no one said a word in protest.
Sorry, this post was a bit off topic....
 
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I thought you were a Jet troll ,R2tr46d or whatever your handle is...Shmessy made me realize you aren't...my mistake...I apologize...it's just that YOUR take so closely mirrors those I've read at GG and JI, I figured you to be yet another in a long line of fake Pats fans that log in here from those sites.

Everyone makes mistakes.
Not everyone has the honesty to admit to them.
Even fewer have the fortitude to apologize for them.

Just something my parents taught me. ;)
 
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My feeling is that Goodell probably regrets the way he handled the Patriots/Signal taping issue because his treatment of it created a wave of negative PR for the league and the media sensationalism that surrounded "Cameragate". Since then he has most taken the "there is nothing of interest here/these aren't the droids you're looking for" approach to levying fines and suspensions.

I am not sold on Goodell's motivations in levying punishments against teams or players are to be holier than thou, a desire to be Mister Big or playing favorites. I am more inclined to think that he felt during "Cameragate", as a new commissioner, he had to assert himself strongly and not be viewed by fans and the media as the owner's puppet, a la Bud Selig from MLB. Now I think he has seen that he needs to not over react.

As a fan of the Patriots I would have loved to see the Jets get hammered and lose draft picks, but I wonder how upset most posters on this site would have been with the fine if this had been the Seahawks instead of the Jets?

My major issue with the way the NFL has handled the Jets issues is that there is a disturbing pattern of lack of managerial/coaching control within the organization dating back several years. When taken individually all of the issues raised recently with the Jets, Favre/Sterger, Jets alleged harassment of a female reporter, and now "Tripgate", are bad but not irrevocably damaging to the leagues image with the public at large. But viewed through a larger lens there is a disturbing pattern, IMHO, coming to light, especially in regards to sexual harassment issues. To borrow a phrase from the NCAA there seems to be a lack of institutional control.
 
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My feeling is that Goodell probably regrets the way he handled the Patriots/Signal taping issue because his treatment of it created a wave of negative PR for the league and the media sensationalism that surrounded "Cameragate". Since then he has most taken the "there is nothing of interest here/these aren't the droids you're looking for" approach to levying fines and suspensions.

I am not sold on Goodell's motivations in levying punishments against teams or players are to be holier than thou, a desire to be Mister Big or playing favorites. I am more inclined to think that he felt during "Cameragate", as a new commissioner, he had to assert himself strongly and not be viewed by fans and the media as the owner's puppet, a la Bud Selig from MLB. Now I think he has seen that he needs to not over react.

As a fan of the Patriots I would have loved to see the Jets get hammered and lose draft picks, but I wonder how upset most posters on this site would have been with the fine if this had been the Seahawks instead of the Jets?

My major issue with the way the NFL has handled the Jets issues is that there is a disturbing pattern of lack of managerial/coaching control within the organization dating back several years. When taken individually all of the issues raised recently with the Jets, Favre/Sterger, Jets alleged harassment of a female reporter, and now "Tripgate", are bad but not irrevocably damaging to the leagues image with the public at large. But viewed through a larger lens there is a disturbing pattern, IMHO, coming to light, especially in regards to sexual harassment issues. To borrow a phrase from the NCAA there seems to be a lack of institutional control.


Well Goodell just lowered the fine on Merriwether. If he wants to show how much he overreacted in punishing the Pats in Spygate then he can cut their fines, give them an extra 1st round pick this year and issue a statement that in retrospect the penalty was too severe and he now is making it more in line with the offense and subsequent penalties given to other teams for similar offenses. If he wants, he can take the Pats' own 3rd round pick as that would have been much more reasonable in the first place. That is much more equitable.
 
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