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  1. kriskanos

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    I heard on Mike and Mike this morning that Jerry Rice is upset about Moss not bending over and kissing Rices ass after he broke the TD rec. record. Rice made some disparaging comments about Moss, I was half asleep so sorry I didnt get a better quote. My point is weeks before leading up to the record being broken Rice had belittled the accomplishment every chance he got so why would he even expect Moss to aknowledge him? Memo to Rice you played 16 games 17 different years, of all those you never caught more than 17 tds( which you achieved once). So you beat a bunch of out of shape corners in a strike shortened season dont act like you never played under a 16 game schedule. Keep it up and you'll be an honorary '72 Dolphin.
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    I agree..he was more like teh spoiled Fins than anyone else...did anyone hear Manning say a THING about Brady?? Even though one may say a lot about Manning he did not stoop so low...
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    On the contrary, this is one of the few times that I've really genuinely respected something that Peyton did off the field. I recall him saying he hoped to have as much integrity and class about it as Marino had with him, and that he had texted Tom early in the season and jokingly asked "You planning on throwing an incompletion this year?"

    But yea, Rice really brought this on himself, IMO. Nothing but the highest respect for Rice, but greatness defends itself.
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    Why on earth should a player give a crap about the person who'se record he broke?
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    I agree...my point was that Manning didn't say anything about it...no words like Rice or the Fins...I agree PM has shown a LOT of class...I believe he and Brady are friends...makes sense...
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    If any reporter asks Moss about this and why he didn't contact Jerry Rice when he broke the record, he should say "Who? Never heard of him."
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    The saddest thing is that King warned that Moss' comments would alienate future Hall of Fame voters. Claimed he knew voters personally who would not ever vote for Moss because Moss wasn't a nice guy and that Moss' "slap" to Jerrry Rice was further proof.
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    Jerry Rice is worse than the ’72 Dolphins because everyone in the media thinks he’s a god. Of course everything Salisbury said this morning on Mike and Mike had to be prefaced by “let me first say that Rice is without a doubt the best wide receiver ever.” Wouldn’t want to show Rice any hint of disrespect. But let’s repeatedly drag Moss’ name through the mud. That’s an easy and widely accepted practice.
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    Rice was a great player, one of the best of all time, but he's really exposing himself as being a total jerkoff. In one breath he totally disparages Moss for needing 16 games to break his record, then he voices his disappointment in him for not kissing his a55 once he does??? What did he expect Moss to do? The guy is delusional.
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    :rocker: Damn, all these whiney b*tches!!!
    rice IS a 72 fin now to me
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    Rice set his record for 12 game season. Moss set his record for a 16 game season. Two different records IMO. Moss didn't break Rice's record, he set a differnet record.

    The media is just pissed about what Moss said about them. Rice should call Moss directly and talk and not give the media any red meat.
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    I'd like to go on record here as saying that having seen Rice and Moss throughout their respective careers, there is no doubt in my mind that Moss is on a totally different level than Rice.

    Moss is a freak of nature who finally has a HOF (GOAT) QB throwing to him and in the first year here, in worse weather and against far better opposition, he beats Rice's record.

    Seriously, I don't see room for argument here.
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    Preach! :rocker:
    I absolutely agree with you.
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    By the time all is said and done, it likely won't matter -- Moss will be an undeniable HOF'er whether he's deemed a jerk or not.
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    This is a record that Jerry Rice held for a while. It is NOT the "Jerry Rice Record". What a pompous prick he is.
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    Rice might want to look around and realize that it's the playoffs, and that players aren't calling around about individual records. There's no reason why Moss would call him at all. Why? Actually, maybe Rice should call and congratulate him?

    As for the media and Moss, I don't blame the media at all on this one. Moss's rep was deserved prior to this year. What do you want the media to do? Say nothing? Randy should have let it go and let his play on the field do the talking.
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    Talent wise, yes.

    Work ethic and overall production, Moss is so far behind Rice that your post IMO is way off.

    Results are what counts, not potential.

    If Moss has so much more potential, as you claim, and I also agree, then it just make his comparative lack of similar career results all the more of a gap between him and Jerry Rice. Not saying that Moss's body of work isn't impressive. Just that he will never catch Rice. He would have to play until he is about 45.

    Jerry Rice and Walter Payton were the two hardest working football players in the offseason. They spent their time running up mountain sides and training endlessly.

    If Moss had Rice's work ethic, he just might have his production as well. He wouldn't ever have taken a single play off. I watched him all those years with the Vikings. I watched him pull antics, take plays off, drop balls due to lack of concentration, spend his time making goofy faces at the opposing team's sidelines. All that stuff. I saw it with my own two eyes.

    I wanted him to come to the Pats because I knew that he still had the talent, and was capable of maturing. But to compare him to Rice as a football player who is getting the job done on the field to the best of his ability, Moss has only one season which we can really look at as the best of Moss. Rice has an entire career as the best of Rice.

    I don't buy into the argument that Moss is better because he has more natural talent. He will be better when his production says so. Right now it is not even close.

    Rice's numbers are off the chart. Staggering. Moss will never catch him.
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    Rice's record is the exception, not Moss's. The NFL has played 16 game seasons since 1978. So, in the record book, it should be:

    Most touchdowns receiving 23 Moss 2007

    Most touchdowns receiving 22 Rice 1987*+

    * 12 game season
    + Replacement players and scabs

    Glad to see so many other folks here concluding that Rice was an all pro receiver but also an all pro whiner. I loved those 49er teams, second to the Patriots, but grew to dislike Rice more and more as the years went on because of his complaining so much, and, get this, sometimes he *****ed about Joe Montana getting too much of the credit.

    The phone call goes from the old record holder to the new record holder.
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    i recall always respecting jerry rice as a player. even though i did not like the 9ers. i remeber respecting moss's talent for catching every thing within 5 yards. but hating his attitude. never ever thought i would be wearing a moss jersey , and never thought i would dis jerry rice. but people and situations change!!moss grew up and jerry got old!!! both very talented men
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    Is it just me or has Jerry Rice always been an azzhole. Thats what I seem to remember from his last couple years in SF.
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    Rice was always an a-hole, but he got the job done every single time.

    Moss was a major punk as well as a slacker, who never really got the job done to the best of his ability until this year. His stats are great, but a shadow of what they could have been, even with Dullpepper throwing him the ball.

    Now we see what Moss could have been about if he spent more time dedicated to football and less time hitting traffic cops with his cousin's Cadillac.

    We will never have to ask what Rice COULD HAVE achieved, because we have seen all he had to give on the football field. He has left us no doubt about his production.

    Moss will always have an asterix next to his early years, *took plays off, could have done even more...

    And I don't believe Moss will catch Rice because he doesn't have the work ethic and his body will break down sooner.
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    You have it all EXACTLY right!
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    In terms of production, this year he's had has been better than any year Rice ever had. And there are things that career stats don't reveal. It's no surprise whatsoever that Moss has been the only common denominator between the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history.

    I agree with you on the issue of work ethic, but I think you have to look at where Moss came into the league versus where Rice came into the league.

    Rice came into the league under Bill Walsh and the 49ers, being thrown to by Joe Montana.

    Moss came into the league branded as a problem child. He came into college branded as a problem child. Rather than look at his talent and try to mentor him, most teams looked past him. And I don't believe the Vikings under Dennis Green was the kind of environment he needed to mature in.

    Oakland was even worse. If you watch "The Moss Method" you'll see he did put in the hard work and attended the roughest training camps in the off-season. But Oakland didn't know what to do with him and had no way of really tapping his potential. It's like the kids who are too smart for the classes they're in, so they get into trouble out of boredom.

    Now, 10 years in, he's been given a shot to work with today's Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. And you can see that now that he's been given that chance, he's exceeded all expectations, been a true team player, found a coach who respects him and can mentor him, and a QB who is good enough to utilize him to his full potential.

    It's wrong to characterize Moss as being less than Rice because of career stats or his work ethic when he wasn't in the right environments to excel at either.

    If anything, it's the same story as Brady or Belichick. Brady never had the career stats and no one thought Belichick could be a great head coach. He was run out of Cleveland and then bailed on the Jets. Maybe that's the real story of the 2001-2007 Patriots. A team of misfits who were never given the chance to show their greatness coming together to surpass all metrics of greatness.

    In short, don't be too fast to judge Moss for his past lest you be willing to hold Belichick's or Brady's against them as well. In time, he will put all doubt to rest about who the greatest WR ever is.
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    Yup, thats the Jerry Rice I remember.
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    Nothing against Jerry Rice but...

    Moss has 2 seasons with 17 TDs and one with 23
    Rice has 1 season with 22 TDs and (the next best season) with 17 TDs. He had around 3 seasons with 15 TDs.

    Rice has averaged 9.85 TDs per season.
    Moss has averaged 12.2 TDs per season (surprised?).
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    Didn't Rice also throw a fit when TO caught the insane TD catch (against GB, IIRC) in the playoffs?
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    Since when....

    is it Moss' responsibility to call Rice.

    Rice definitely is the greatest receiver who ever played the game, but just like the 72 dolphins has he lost his mind???


    Be a little gracious and call Moss to congratulate HIM.
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    That's sorta how I look at it: Rice's record is a different record, set against "iffy" competition.

    If you lower the bar for competition you might score 22 in one game, but who really can compare that against what a guy like Moss did?
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    no one would actually ever admit it in the media or football world but Rice while a great reciever has always been a big jerk with the same selfishness of a TO. back then we didnt have internet and ESPn didnt have 8 channels so it wasnt as prevelant. But go back and listen to the way he talks in game and out of game the man is and always has been a jerk
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    jerry rice should go back to hanging out in whorehouses and "massage" parlors.
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