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    I think randy has a tendency to get his spirit down when he's being shutdown. I just think that's his nature. BB will probably talk to him about it and how to think when that happens in the future.

    sometimes, pats just have to exploit teams elsewhere. no biggie.

    good analysis by jaws
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    so Moss got tired of winning?

    maybe BB should make things interesting for him...if he really is staring to get slow, im sure BB will fix it, even Brady will fix it
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    just after the game I e-mailed a buddy and said "great, now we can look forward to a week of talk about the blueprint for beating the pats that the iggles gave everyone and how moss is going to turn into a cancer now that he had a game where he was taken nearly completely out of the action". took till midweek but both predictions have come true. go me.
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    Jaws is usually one of the more measured and sane media members in regards to game analysis. In the midst of the media frenzy over the Patriots, a breath of fresh air.

    Regarding the comments on Moss, he's the other shoe to drop according to the media "wish lists." I wouldn't read too much into this, as again, no one is aware of the circumstances surrounding his performance and what the team asked him to do. Let's stay rational with this guy, as he's never shown an unwillingness to be anything other than a good teammate this season. If he can be an effective decoy when he's not at the top of the QB's progressions, then he's doing fine.
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    I like Jaws, you may not like what he says but he backs it up with what he sees from the tape not from what he hopes is there. Too bad ESPN does have more like him.
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    i think jaws might show some of moss's play in this week's NFL matchup show
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    I like Jaws, always look so happy and enthusiastic.

    And doesn’t’ have a personal vendetta against the Pats.
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    Regarding the Moss comment, its possible he was just getting a little tired and was trying to pick and choose where to conserve his energy. People forget he's in almost every snap, waaaaaaay more than Stallworth and Welker. Plus, he was getting doubleteamed and was consistently held and rouged up, thats taxing on your body.

    I think because of his "takes plays off" rep, people are gonna try to make assumptions that he was not giving it his best effort.
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    Maybe it is just me...but did it appear to anyone else that the entire Patriot team did not really have the "fire"????

    I am not saying they were completely flat, but I did not see or is it sense because I am reaching that I did not see the same intensity in almost all the players....?

    Not taking anything away fro the eggles....maybe the good play they brought to the game was what I was seeing and stretched it to the Pats "intensity" but I didn't think so. Did anybody see the same thing as me or was I too many rum and cokes into the game?
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    time to take a deep breath and not blow this out of proportion since it's just the sort of thing the "Moss will be trouble" people were saying in August.
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    source:http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/11/offensive_parti_15.html
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    expect ESPN and sportscenter to run with it. it helps them that the game is on ESPN
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    I think it was in the 4th qtr of the game but there was a play I remember where Brady over threw Moss in end zone (pass went out of bounds in the back on end zone). The defender on the play slid into the barriers at the back of the end zone. Moss jogged over and gave him a hand up. It sure did not look like the actions of someone who was frustrated to me. No mention of it by the announcers though since it did not mesh with their ongoing story of how frustrated Moss was by the defense. Nor has it received any mention since the game that I have seen since.
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    Find me one professional team that doesn't bring more intensity to some games than others.

    *They had already clinched a playoff spot earlier that day when the Bills lost.
    *The week before looked like the varsity team playing the freshman.
    *And they were going into the game with the largest point spread in history.

    I don't care how great a motivator BB is and how professional the Pats are....

    They are not going to be able to bring to every game the intensity that they had against the Colts.
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    Moss did look like he was playing uninspired football.
    i'm pretty sure philly taking the deep ball away, and roughing him up had something to do with it.
    but when he was making catches, he just seemed like he didn't want to run after the catch.

    i'm not gonna say the effort wasn't there, b/c i don't know what was going on in his head, or exactly what the philly D was doing to him.
    But, he looked a little disinterested in the game. For this game only: It was like, take away the deep threat, and suddenly he doesn't want to play anymore. He was doing absolutely nothing after the catch.

    i guess players are human and can't be expected to play 110% all the time.
    As a fan of Moss', i just wished he would have brought the attitude: "ok, u wanna take away the deep threat...then i'll catch it underneath, and take it to the house!"
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    That was Lito Sheppard I believe--he got lucky that he didn't hit that piece of foundation or whatever any harder.

    Truly, Philly doesn't have a 'great defense', but they DO have some very good players and coaches, and they ARE being paid to go out there and perform. Lito and JR Reed played at there best out there and should be commended for the job that they did. Rather than Moss being criticized for not making a pair of talented professionals look like chumps all game. It just doesn't work that way though unfortunately.
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    You nailed it, FF. It is unbelievably arrogant the way some (mostly media) feel that when the games are close, it's due to the Pats playing flat rather than their opponents playing a hell of a game. The Eagles played a hell of a game on Sunday night. Full stop.
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    I hate to say it, but during the game I turned to my brother and said that Moss looked to be dogging it on a few routes. I had that impression. I was at the game and he let up on a few routes and it looked obvious to me. I was shocked to see that Felger did not write about it :(
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    i did notice that actually, im pretty sure it was Lito, the guy covering and abusing him...
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    I also subscribe to the tired from 71 reps theory. I would also suggest that he was also fatigued by the constant bumping and pulling that he got on almost every snap, many beyond the 5 yard from scrimmage and not one of them called by any of the refs.

    I also couldn't blame him for a sense of utter frustration from the PI call against him earlier on, his 3rd of the season. No other single player has been called out more than once that I can tell (OK I havent checked all 32 teams but I am getting there). So he now has 3 and is getting shunted all over the yard and not a single flag is dropped against a physically aggressive secondary.....if I were RM I think I would be chewing nails and spitting rust as well.

    And in the end it didnt matter, because he acted as the decoy so that Welker could perform... I like Jaws but that was an unnecessary comment, because it will give grist for the complainers' mill, and does not reflect the imbalance in the referees' judgement on what level of physicality constitutes interference (offensive versus defensive).
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    I thought Moss was being held a lot more than people noticed. I mean, good job by the Eagles. Do what you can if you can get away with it, but that play where his jersey came under his shoulderpads... you think that happend by itself?
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    Did Jaws mention that Randy got a TD taken away from him?

    He beat them. Does he have to beat them on every play? Is he allowed to have an off night? Isn't it OK to use him to draw coverage once in a while?
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    Why do you call it arrogance on part of the few who opine that the Pats seemed to be playing flat? No one is taking anything away from the Eagles, who played a hell of a game of Sunday, COMMA, but the Pats didn't seem to have a fire in them considering uncharacteristic penalties by the OL playing at home and many instances of communication gaps between the various players in the secondary. :)
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    I call it arrogance due to the fact that some (a minority of mostly media members) believe that when games are close, it's due to the Pats playing poorly rather than an opponent executing an excellent game plan. What? The Pats are so good that no one should ever play well in a competitive game? Come on, that's just arrogant.

    The Pats executed very well in the Eagles game. The final result was a 3-point win. Therefore, the Pats played a close game against a competitive opponent. The Eagles were on that night, just like the Colts a few weeks earlier. The main contributor to the final result was that neither opponent was able to sustain the level of intensity for 60 minutes. To say that the close games were due to the Pats having a substandard game is a result of thinking that no team has a chance against the Patriots. That's arrogance.
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    Can you give me the links that had a few of the media NOT praising the Eagles and claiming that the game was close only because the Pats played poor? In all the reports that I read and heard, everyone praised the Eagles and a few, in additon to admiring the Eagles, also mentioned that the Pats played poorly. That's what I am trying to point out. Just because they mention that the Pats played poorly does not mean that they are arrogant.

    Not that it means that some are not arrogant. Many are, but in this case, I can't agree with you unless I see those reviews. :)
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    Philly had a great gameplan and backed it up with an inspired, motivated and extremely sound performance.

    The mark of a great team is to win a game while not playing your best while your opponent brings their best shot to you.

    Last time I checked, NE won the game and NE is 11-0.

    That's pretty good!
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    Actually, this was one of the teams that I thought had a chance against the Pats. I thought the spread was too high when I saw it. The Eagles are a talented team. They played very well. Most of the Pats were not that sharp with their execution in this game. However, some of that was due to the Eagles who looked jacked up.

    I too thought Brady was forcing balls into Moss, and also, not checking down quicker when he was covered.

    In general, the Eagles showed a few things necessary to be competitive with the Pats. Play at full intensity right from the start and continue, utilize quickness advantages on offense, limit the Pats offensive possessions. They almost succeeded if not for Feeley's brain cramp at the end.

    I agree with Jaws on the "blueprint" thing. Also, you need the right personnel in the right positions to pull off what the Eagles tried.

    I'm a little worried about injuries. First Morris. Now Colvin.
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    Ha Ha Ha, bring you the witches broomstick, right? Open your eyes and read some posts and some sports articles. It's not that hard, and if you swing a stick in a dark room, you're bound to hit some who feel any team giving the Pats a challenging game is an indication of a poorly played game by the Pats, because they are too good to be challenged. That, in it's purest form, is arrogance.
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    Jaws is the only person with the guts to say that there is now Blueprint to stop the Patriots. As for Randy's play. Yeah he did look a bit lazy but I'm sure things are already taken care of he will be ready to burn the Ravens. So NO Moss is trying to destory the Patriots talk ever!
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