Jason Cole: Pats and Revis working on Extension

[condon84]

Terrific question, and good observations. So far, we've seen Mayo and McCourty play in seriously flawed defenses, while Patrick Willis has been playing in a dominant defense during Harbaugh's tenure, and Thomas has been backstopping a great defense for the past two years.

If Mayo and McCourty can play aggressively within a defense like the 2014 version with so much talent at all three levels, and stay healthy, I can see them rising to the level of elite at their positions. Especially Mayo.

My feeling about this is that both Mayo and McCourty have had to make up for weaknesses at their respective levels of the defense. Mayo covering for guys like Jermaine Cunningham and Brandon Spikes, and McCourty being out-of-position most of the time with a frighteningly bad secondary two years ago until Talib showed up and he shifted to safety, and about the same last year (although Harmon, Ryan and Steve Gregory were upgrades over the year before.)

It's still amazing to me how the Patriots went to the Super Bowl in 2011 with guys like Sterling Moore, James Ihedigbo, Arrington and Chung as mainstays along with McCourty at cornerback.

NFL HOF? Who knows? Guys like Bruschi, McGinest, Harrison and Law probably won't get there. So who's to say about Willis, Thomas, Mayo and McCourty. The only one who has a long enough resume to be in the discussion is Willis, and he needs his team to break through and win the big one to make a legitimate claim at this point.

Vince was also in the same seriously flawed defense but was still able to show his elite status and dominate.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Mccourty is a 94 in madden. bOOM

 

[Jackson 2]

I can't stand Shaughnessy, Borges, etc. Felger, although he plays the agent provocateur, at least will credit the team when it does something well - not so for the others....

You're right, but the credit is almost always given begrudgingly and invariably accompanied by a qualifier. That he's not as bad as Shank and Borges is like saying that the performance of Carl Crawford wasn't as bad as that of Julio Lugo and Edgar Renteria. They all sucked.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Felger still finds a way to be and sound like a weasel when he compliments the pats...

 

[jah]

Mccourty is a 94 in madden. bOOM

And Brady is a 93. So I guess that makes McCourty a better player...not sure what the ratings guy was thinking there.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

And Brady is a 93. So I guess that makes McCourty a better player...not sure what the ratings guy was thinking there.

It's more by position then who's better then who

 

[Danger Zone]

Felger still finds a way to be and sound like a weasel when he compliments the pats...

Link or it didn't happen.. (Felger complimenting the Pats)

 

[Triumph]

Yup int in the end zone to ice win vs bills at home in 2012

The key word is "crucial" game. Like have to win or go home.

But since you brought up 2012, Mr Elite got torched for a TD by Pitta and Flacco in the AFCC. Im looking for a big play in a game like that.

 

[Triumph]

Interesting. The players, GMs, coaches and a lot of fans disagree. But you know more than all of them correct?

Really?

Then why only 1 pro bowl and no all pro awards for someone so Elite? The 2010 pro bowl was as an alternate too.

 

[Triumph]

It isn't a myth. The guy is a solid safety. The funny thing is the nation guys see it more than people locally. I think many people in this area hated McCourty since his second season and will never give him credit.

If you cannot see that he is an upper tier safety, you are not looking at him objectively.

1 pro bowl as an alternate.

That's all.

Great players shine on bad defenses. Rodney Harrison and JR Seau did for years in SD. Mcourty has been responsible for some horrid NE pass defenses. Rodney Harrison even commented that BB has finally brought in players to fix it- Revis and Browner.

The PATS will be making a huge mistake if they let Revis walk and keep Mcourty. Mcourty is not a difference maker except on this message board.

 

[Triumph]

Mccourty is a 94 in madden. bOOM

That settles it.

If you cant believe xBOX who can you trust.

 

[Rob0729]

1 pro bowl as an alternate.

That's all.

Great players shine on bad defenses. Rodney Harrison and JR Seau did for years in SD. Mcourty has been responsible for some horrid NE pass defenses. Rodney Harrison even commented that BB has finally brought in players to fix it- Revis and Browner.

The PATS will be making a huge mistake if they let Revis walk and keep Mcourty. Mcourty is not a difference maker except on this message board.

McCourty is a two time All Pro. He was one in 2010 as a CB and one last year, his first full year as a safety. You should get your facts straight.

Harrison is a potential Hall of Famer. Seau is a potential first ballot Hall of Famer. Why are you constantly trying to bring him down by comparing him to best of their generation type of players? Besides San Diego had BOTH those players to make their defense good and it was never a top defense even with two HOF caliber players on it. In fact, the Chargers never had a winning record and were consistently one of the worst teams in the league with both Seau and Harrison on their team.

McCourty isn't responsible for the Pats' pass defense. There are 11 players on the field. Very few (you can count on one hand) defensive players who impact a defense enough to be "responsible" for how a pass defense plays. McCourty was not responsible for a poor pass rush or the fact the LBs couldn't cover TEs which were huge problems with the Pats' pass defense in recent years.

McCourty's contract will have no bearing on Revis'. If they do re-sign McCourty and let Revis walk, it isn't because they made it a priority to re-sign McCourty over Revis. It will be because Revis was a mercenary and went to the highest bidder and someone offered him a ridiculous contract.

If anything Brady will have more bearing on whether Revis re-sign than McCourty will. The Pats have an unwritten rule that Brady is the highest paid player on the team. There is a remote chance they might not re-sign Revis because he will make more than Brady.

And it just isn't this message board who think McCourty is top safety in this league. Again, the AP voted him as an All Pro last year. Several preseason publications ranked him in the top five for safeties. Nationally, he is generally recognized as a top safety in this league.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Really?

Then why only 1 pro bowl and no all pro awards for someone so Elite? The 2010 pro bowl was as an alternate too.

You do know the pro bowl is pretty much a popularity contest right? Polomalu still makes it....

 

[Bruins29]

Really?

Then why only 1 pro bowl and no all pro awards for someone so Elite? The 2010 pro bowl was as an alternate too.

Do you get any attention in real life? Or, let me ask you, do you have a real life? The reason I ask is that you just seem to be a troll that likes to get a rise out of people and get people to respond to you. Also, as pointed out to you, your facts are not even right in your silly argument.

In fact, your argument is embarrassing. Stop now, trust me. Your point of view on this is warped as it is. If you cant even get the facts straight then you are obviously here just to start trouble.

 

[Triumph]

McCourty is a two time All Pro. He was one in 2010 as a CB and one last year, his first full year as a safety. You should get your facts straight.

1 pro bowl here. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoDe99.htm

Nevertheless, his 1st pro bowl not as an alternate. That's a FACT.

Harrison is a potential Hall of Famer. Seau is a potential first ballot Hall of Famer. Why are you constantly trying to bring him down by comparing him to best of their generation type of players? Besides San Diego had BOTH those players to make their defense good and it was never a top defense even with two HOF caliber players on it. In fact, the Chargers never had a winning record and were consistently one of the worst teams in the league with both Seau and Harrison on their team.

Seau, Harrison, Revis, Reed, Law are Elite players. Mcourty is not.

McCourty isn't responsible for the Pats' pass defense. There are 11 players on the field. Very few (you can count on one hand) defensive players who impact a defense enough to be "responsible" for how a pass defense plays. McCourty was not responsible for a poor pass rush or the fact the LBs couldn't cover TEs which were huge problems with the Pats' pass defense in recent years.

Mcourty isn't responsible for anything. The Pats pass defense has been its Achilles heal for years and BB took drastic measures before Brady is ready to retire.

McCourty's contract will have no bearing on Revis'. If they do re-sign McCourty and let Revis walk, it isn't because they made it a priority to re-sign McCourty over Revis. It will be because Revis was a mercenary and went to the highest bidder and someone offered him a ridiculous contract.

Money spent on keeping Mcourty is less dollars for Revis.

 

[Kontradiction]

So much of this "is McCourty" elite nonsense talk would be moot if Belichick hadn't drafted such garbage in the secondary the last 5, 6, or 7 years....but 90% of the fanboys don't want to hear that...

I always thought you were a Colts fan. You learn something new every day.

The key word is "crucial" game. Like have to win or go home.

But since you brought up 2012, Mr Elite got torched for a TD by Pitta and Flacco in the AFCC. Im looking for a big play in a game like that.

You can't even get the player right. That was Gregory.

Baltimore Ravens tight end Dennis Pitta 5-yard TD catch - NFL Videos

Please continue to keep clowning yourself. It's entertaining to watch. Naturally you'll now say "oh no, wait, it was the Boldin touchdown". Cole was covering Boldin on that play and he was not McCourty's assignment.

 

[skspikex2]

1 pro bowl here. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoDe99.htm

Nevertheless, his 1st pro bowl not as an alternate. That's a FACT.

and you left out the 2x all pro..........

 

[fnordcircle]

Do you get any attention in real life? Or, let me ask you, do you have a real life? The reason I ask is that you just seem to be a troll that likes to get a rise out of people and get people to respond to you. Also, as pointed out to you, your facts are not even right in your silly argument.

In fact, your argument is embarrassing. Stop now, trust me. Your point of view on this is warped as it is. If you cant even get the facts straight then you are obviously here just to start trouble.

 

[Rob0729]

1 pro bowl here. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoDe99.htm

Nevertheless, his 1st pro bowl not as an alternate. That's a FACT.

So you are not going to acknowledge that he is a two time All Pro because they don't count? You make it sound that the one Pro Bowl bearth is the only acknowledgment he has received in his career.

Seau, Harrison, Revis, Reed, Law are Elite players. Mcourty is not.

Ummm..... Who is arguing McCourty is elite? We are arguing he is a top safety in this league. The only safety in this league I consider elite is Earl Thomas.

Mcourty isn't responsible for anything. The Pats pass defense has been its Achilles heal for years and BB took drastic measures before Brady is ready to retire.

The pass defense wasn't bad last year. But again, you seem to want to put all the blame on McCourty. Why not call for the Pats to cut Mayo? Or Ninkovich? Or Chandler Jones? Why is all the blame on McCourty? Was McCourty responsible in the AFCCG last year for the fact that Manning could eat a ham sandwich in the backfield every time he dropped back to pass because there was no pass rush?

Money spent on keeping Mcourty is less dollars for Revis.

Huh?!? Do you understand how the salary cap works? The Pats can easily pay for and fit both players under the cap if they want even if they both get top of the market deals. The only reason why both will not be here is if one or both reach free agency and they get offers beyond what the Pats are willing to pay for either. What the Pats are willing to pay for each player has nothing to do with what they end up paying the other. The Pats just have a number for both players they will not go over and if they get offers over that number or they just do not want to re-sign with the Pats, then the Pats won't sign them.

The Pats know that they are going to have to pay both Revis and McCourty top of the market deals. They are intent on doing it from reports. My guess the only way Revis leaves is if he is intent of waiting for free agency and selling himself to the highest bidder (where there will be someone stupid enough to give him a ridiculously large deal). If he is willing to not take more than a 3-4 year deal with top of the market money based on the recent CB signings, I don't see him leaving the Pats no matter what happens with McCourty.

You hate McCourty so much that you are already blaming him for Revis leaving in free agency about six months from now. Before Revis even plays a down of preseason football, never mind regular season football, for the Pats.

 

[Blizzzard]

Make.... This..... Happen....
If only for him to be in a Pats jersey in the HOF. It would make jets fans heads implode!

Bigger payback than needed for signing away Ty Law, who was on the back 9.

Shades of a reverse curse of the bambino. Might mire down jets fans for 86 years