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  1. Titus Pullo

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    Ummmm... Dow drops 228 yesterday, Day of Rage set for today in Saudi ... now this.

    Look out below!

    Massive 8.9-magnitude quake hits Japan

    Tokyo (CNN) -- An 8.9-magnitude earthquake hit northern Japan on Friday, triggering tsunamis and sending a massive body of water filled with debris that included boats and houses inching toward highways.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake
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    From early reports the Tsunami Warnings helped, but not sure what anyone can do against these tremendous forces of nature..
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    I don't think I've ever heard or read about an earthquake that powerful in my lifetime. 8.9 is almost unfathomable.

    I feel really sad for all the children of the world that have to live through all the frightening happenings in the world the past few years. They are all growing up in fear, perhaps more than any other generation due to our advanced media.

    Recessions
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    Indonesia tsunami

    They must see the fear & stress their parents carry with them daily and that's sad. But maybe each generation is the same and it's just my perception that things seem worse than ever.
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    It's Bush's fault, he's been practicing since Katrina and he's getting better at it.
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    From 1962-72
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    Picture the poor kids growing up in 1935-45..
    Great Depression
    World War 2.........

    Every generation has things they have to deal with but you're right, the mass instant media makes it seem different now.
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    If you've ever seen a storm surge/tsunami, it is truly amazing to see the damage they can do. I was in Gulfport and Biloxi,MS after Katrina the wall of water took down cinder block buildings like they were Styrofoam and bent steel frames.

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    I can't even imagine how scary it must be with the aftershocks approaching 6.0 on the Richter scale.
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    I spend a lot of time in Southern La. (NOLA and LFT), and found what happened from Katrina beyond anything could ever have imagined..

    About 5 months after Katrina, drove from Mobile to NOLA and was amazed at the swath of destruction.. it is indescribable.
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    I added one important one you left out...you're probably right.
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    Well, I was wrong .... for a day, anyway... The Dow is up slightly today, while oil fell a bit. Presumably because Japan's demand won't be very healthy for a while.

    But, for a country teetering on insolvency, this seems devastating for their longer term recovery.
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    Why would a bunch of dummies live on a fault line?


    anyway, I'm off to head home to San Fran via the bay bridge in about 45 minutes....



    In all seriousness.....an 8.9 is downright evil. Something like that out in Cali, LA to San Fran would pretty much destroy millions of lives. Mrs Diver is 1/2 Japanese, and I have some coworkers in Tokyo right now, everyone is okay, but that doesnt stop this from sucking. Thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Japan.

    The video of the tsunami was pure hell....
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    Goofy Jug Ears (Obama) is blaming the oil companys for the Quake because they aren't doing enough DRILLING for oil>---------:singing:

    Clinton says Obama is full of sh!t.

    Bush called up Obama and told him what to say.
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    The death toll from this is going to be huge, i wouldn't be surprised at 50-75K dead.
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    Obama is right we have to get all that oil out of the ground.
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    It will be interesting (?) to see if they allow in foreign countries with offers of assistance, something that didn't happen after the Kobe earthquake in 1995. The cultural barriers could end tragically costing lives.
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    From what I am reading these barriers seem to have somewhat broken down this time.. but will see.
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    So, the Fukushima reactor situation is looking more and more like a worse (if not worst) case scenario.

    "A short time ago a nuclear expert stated on CNN that it was, at this point, likely that a catastrophic core meltdown would occur."

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    One site is even recommending that West Coast Americans consider potassium iodide pills just to be safe, though many people debate their effectiveness.

    At the very least, this kind of reality will set the nuclear industry back quite a bit.
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    Whats a few Rads here and there, :rolleyes: anyways...................
    Meltdown may be under way at Fukushima Daiichi's nuclear power reactor, an official with Japan's safety agency says.
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    "FUKUSHIMA" how do you pronounce that?
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    yeah yeah yeah i know, its still not as catchy as Phuket from the Sumatra tsunami
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    I've been watching videos of the destruction which is just incomprehensible. Then, the broadcaster will say, the expected death toll might reach 1,000. Followed by, this one town has 10,000 people missing. Why are they lowballing?
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    The fukmisidwais plant is also on the brink...

    Seriously, is Dickens working in Asia naming cities on fault lines or something?

    Anyway... it'll be interesting to see the level of backlash re: nuclear.

    I'm sure Harry or 13 or someone will continue to insist that more people died in Ted Kennedy's car, but I think that little righty meme went the way of the dodo with chernobyl, outside the echo chamber.

    So we'll see. We've seen the gulf flooded with oil, and we're either seeing a scary warning or, as is appearing more likely, another epic nuke catastrophe, depending on how it plays out. As we keep saying here, we're decades away from renewables.

    Seems like if you're lining up your bets, the safest one is with coal/natural gas, w/movement toward the infrastructure & vehicles necessary to convert those to mobile electric power. Of course, oil will still be a net winner, because our attention span is short, and some wildlife in the Gulf survived.

    It'll be interesting to watch. Japan, riveting but horrifying.
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    It would be a shame if people started "running back to mama" (oil) because of this. Coal and natural gas are well and good, but like oil, there is a very limited amount to satiate international appetites.

    I think what will come of this, if rational minds are in place (unlikely), is more insight on how to make these things safer, such as better redundancies on the power supply.
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    I'm interested in seeing what 13 will say about this, after all he wants to get rid od the EPA so his grand kids will live happy healthy lives.

    A couple of yers ago i posted a piece i read in Scientific American about a French power company called Alstrom. They had a developed a way to burn coal with little or no pollution. The particulate matter isn't that hard to scrub, its the gases such as co2 and no2 that are the problem. They hard developed a way to segregate (oh oh) them out of the flue gas. I don't remember how they did it, when i went to re read the article the link wouldnt' work.

    Going back to the crisis, it was very hard to fore see not only the main source of electricity being lost but the back up generators also. This is generally the same situation that happened in TMI and Chernobyl. The feed water pumps which cool the reactor vessel shut down because they're powered by electicity. In days of yor they used steam from the plant to operate back up feed water pumps,(duplex pump) but diesle powed generators fail so infrequently that the steam powered ones have gone by the boards.
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    I'm pretty sure it will be epic if hes his normal self. 13 and normal........:rofl:
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    It isn't that nobody will ever be killed by nuclear accidents (I assume that's the righty meme, PatsFaninVa?), the problem in comparing deaths is that, with nuclear accidents, the incidents are much higher profile.
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    "0232: The plant operator says the top of the fuel rods is 3 metres above water - AFP, quoting Kyodo.".......... this is getting to be like play by play.
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    Nice to see so many anxiously await my comments. I will want to get more info before commenting fully but some preliminary observations.


    This earthquake released more energy in a couple of minutes than humans have released/used in our entire existence by a few orders of magnitude.

    The coast of japan was moved by 8ft. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good God,

    The Earth's axis was shifted by 4 inches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (other estimates were twice this amount

    There is an event happening this month a Super Moon, the moon is closer to the Earth, could the increased tidal forces affect the tectonic plates and provide the force to cause the energy to release in an earthquake of this magnitude?

    March’s Super Moon: More Earthquakes, Weird Weather, Volcanic Eruptions? | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP


    almost 150 >5.0 quakes (ie aftershocks) in the region in the first 24 hrs, many above 6.0 (the recent NZ earthquake)

    NASA stated the earthquake was so strong that it sped up the Earth's rotation by about 1.6 microseconds

    The Power plant is located at:

    37°25'9.52"N

    141° 1'56.68"E


    Put that in Google earth, put on the indicators for earth quakes. The plant is on the ocean very close to the epicenter of the quake, the videos of the tsunami you've seen from the city closest to the quake, the plant is about 3 times closer!

    The reactor with the most damage is 40 years old and was to be decommissioned last year. So far the steel vessel has held, hope they can control the core and prevent the Cesium 137 from reaching the atmosphere.


    Given the proximity of this reactor to the quake and tsunami, it is impressive the place wasn't destroyed.


    Looking at the number of quakes there over the time many of which were pretty severe, and the age of the reactor the place is very well engineered. If there isn't a major disaster given the confluence of events and forces involved it actually speaks well of the safety of these reactors.
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    Oh yeah the shift in the ocean floor was 18m ~56ft!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Kind of short sighted here if you ask me. The backup method of cooling is not as good as the normal method - perhaps they always figured any disturbance would be short in time. So why must the backup method be less optional? Like some extra generators would put them out of business or something?

    I guess one would need more info here - perhaps the answer is too simple so they bypassed it. There are some very powerful diesal generators out there --- buy some extra ones in case of earthquake --- I mean you're on the 'Ring of Fire" ... duh.
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