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    I'd be interested in knowing if these players are allowed to shop there services to other teams. I cant see why not. I also wonder if there will be any uproar over this. I can only imagone what people would say if it was Belichick doing it. How he is trying to cheat these players out of finding employment eith other teams and such. Either way, it would be looked upon negatively. I doubt the same will be done on the Steelers.

    Steelers keeping their cuts secret until Saturday

    Steelers keeping their cuts secret until Saturday
    Associated Press


    PITTSBURGH -- The Steelers have cut their roster to the 53-man limit, but they aren't revealing which players they released.

    Saying he didn't want other NFL teams to learn in advance who was let go, Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin said the final cuts won't be announced until Saturday, when all NFL teams must firm up their rosters.

    Among those apparently cut Friday were fullback Carey Davis, who didn't play in Thursday night's preseason game against the Carolina Panthers; former Penn State center A.Q. Shipley, a seventh-round draft pick; and linebacker Bruce Davis, a third-round pick last year. Davis started 11 games for the Steelers the last two seasons.

    One possible reason for the secrecy is that the Steelers might be trying to slide running back Isaac Redman from the active roster to the practice squad. Redman, an undrafted rookie from Bowie State, was the surprise star of training camp and scored three of the Steelers' five rushing touchdowns during the preseason.

    The Steelers made their cuts one day earlier than most teams because they open the season Thursday night at home against the Tennessee Titans
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    I'll be the first to acknowledge that I'm no expert on this side of business for the NFL. But, in doing this, do they gain leverage that they can use to throw these guys back on the Practice Squad tomorrow before other teams scoop them up?
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    It's double secret practice squad probation time! Seriously, if you've been cut, why should you have to keep your mouth shut? Why hasn't Lord Bad-ell launched the investigation yet?
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    Well then, this speculation must be wrong. I'm pretty sure I've read that a team like the Steelers would NEVER make such a mistake with a 3rd-round pick.
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    Not for nothing, but isn't every team who waits until the wire "keeping their roster cuts a secret until Saturday"? I guess the Steelers are just way ahead of the curve and other teams who haven't announced any cuts have no idea who they are letting go of yet, or who they might want to stash on their practice squad.
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    The Patriots may have also made the rest of their cuts.

    We will find out who they are 7 P.M. or 8 P.M. tomorrow.
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    Bingo. When a team cuts a player early, they're doing them a favor- giving them a chance to talk to other teams before the inevitable rush. It's a classy move, and the kind that gets noticed by players who may be more likely to come to your camp in the future because of it, but no team is obligated to spread the word ahead of time. Realistically, it's the same as waiting to cut your guys at the last minute, though if the players decide that they don't like it they may be less likely to agree to sign to your PS.
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    Steelers released LB Donovan Woods and RB Justin Vincent.

    Coach Mike Tomlin tried to keep their cuts quiet, but they're trickling out. Woods split time between special teams and the practice squad last season. Vincent never saw playing time after being signed as an undrafted free agent last season.
    Source: CBSSports.com
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    They aren't allowed to sign guys to the PS until after the final cut deadline, they can't do it tomorrow. Though of course they can start negotiating earlier with a player they want on the PS with the assumption he will clear waivers, but they could more or less do that even if the players weren't technically cut yet.

    My guess if they want non-roster players gone so they can start preparing Saturday for their Thursday game, and just didn't want to give everyone else the advantage of knowing their cuts ahead of time.
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    I'm not sure I get this. To cut this player you have to waive him. Every team in the league has access to the waiver wire lists. So the only people they are keeping this from are the fans and media (who may find out anyway since most have a league insider on some team who feeds them info like waiver wire listings).
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    Ha ha, you beat me to it; I was thinking the same thing. To hear some talk every Steeler draft pick becomes an all pro while every player the Pats have ever drafted is a complete bust.
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    What a nice way to eff over the guys you cut. Stay classy, Pittsturd.
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    I agree, this story isn't making much sense. If they did make the cuts, then every other team knows who they were; the only ones that don't know are the fans and media.

    The only thing I can think of is perhaps the Steelers have made their decisions and told the players, but are not going to turn those cuts in to the NFL and make the information public until the last moment.

    Either that or Tomlin is clueless about the difference between making the announcement public and making the cut official with the NFL.

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    actually they're doing the cut players a favor, genius. their agents can start making calls before the deadline. hilarious that a pats fan would criticize another organization for how they treat their players.
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    Hmmmm.......

    Steelers keeping their cuts secret until Saturday

    So much for that theory, genius.... ;)
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    Christ, if Belichick did this everybody would be going bonkers.
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    Wow, I didn't think you were this much of a simpleton, so let me explain. Read twice if you need to.

    The cuts are already public. See, the media in Pittsburgh tends to follow the Steelers quite closely, especially as players leave the facility. So all the names of the cuts have been posted in various local reports. And of course that gives the players an extra day to prepare for their next career move, and gives those players' agents a day to start making calls to other teams.

    That doesn't mean Tomlin is an idiot and will volunteer the names to be scrolled across the ticker for every FO around the league to see and evaluate, when no one else is doing so until the deadline tomorrow. There was also talk of possibly trading a veteran for draft picks or OL depth which might allow them to retain one or two of the cuts they really wanted to retain.

    Read between the lines next time. Not everything you hear in a PC is the whole story.
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    Strange, I never figured the trashiest city in the US would also boast the countrie's dumbest people as well. Pittsturd is truly a remarkable place.
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    irony is funny.

    by the way the native city of the poster is listed under the poster's name. keep working towards that GED.
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    I did read. Perhaps you should try doing so as well. As for the rest, I have no need to deal with yet another troll from another team. So, off to the land of ignore for you.
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    Reading and comprehension are two completely different things. I'm sure she read it, but......

    I never knew California accepted reject from PA.... must be a little light in the loafers or somethin. Either way, that troll won't be getting any more food from me either.
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    Just answer this: If Belichick did the exact same thing, what would your reaction be? What do you think the reactions of fans around the NFL would be? I don't see anything wrong with this move, and I definitely get why the Steelers did it. In fact, IMO the only mistake that Tomlin made was in bothering to talk about it- he can announce the cuts whenever he damn well pleases, and doesn't have to answer to anyone. That said, I do see a little humor in how much differently it's being perceived simply because it's Tomlin doing it instead of Big Bad Belichick.
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    If the day to reveal them is Saturday ... seems they have the right to do what they want including cutting the players at the last hour. So the agents of these guys get to call teams and shop them?
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    honestly, i wouldn't really care and wouldn't devote an entire thread to it. sure, belichick would probably get the double standard treatment because he is characterized as an ultra-competitive, win-at-all-costs guy. But I don't think his internal motivation would be any different from Tomlin's in this case, both would probably want to treat their last cuts as humanely as possible, maximize the chances they could sign them to their own PS, and not put himself at a competitive disadvantage by releasing information earlier than necessary.
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    Ironically, BB purposefully goes out of his way to cut players early to give them the best chance possible to land on another team. Heck, at times he's showcased players he was going to cut in preseason games, just to help their chances. Remember what he did for John Lynch? Sure BB's a competitor, but not at the expense of common decency.... Apparently, that expense is not too high for Tomlin. Tomlin is the perfect representative for such a marvelous, clean and prosperous city..... :rolleyes:
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    WTF did Tomlin do wrong? Not publicly announce his cuts? NOBODY in the entire league, including the Pats, have publicly announced their final cuts. If the Steelers are dirtbags for it, then so are 31 other teams. I don't like the Steelers either, but at least pick a reason that makes sense.
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    Fair enough, I don't disagree with any of that. If there's anything notable about it in this case, it's that Tomlin talked about it. For all we know, Belichick's likely doing the same thing, but if anyone asks him about it he'll just say "we're doing everything we can to help make the team better" or some other purposefully vague response.

    I mean, damn, even Rex Ryan hasn't talked about it, and I'm pretty sure that guy calls a press conference everytime he takes a ****. Nothing wrong with Tomlin being open about it- just unusual, and therefore maybe (but probably not) worthy of discussion.
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    You're wrong here. BB makes cuts early, and makes no attempt at covering it up. Did you happen to notice that six Pats cuts were all known at one once today? In Pittsburg, just a few names are tickling out over time, even though all the cuts were already made. Pretty indicative of how each went down. If you disagree with that point, I really don't think we could have a real discustion on this subject. Sure, BB will cut just about any player for the good of the team, but he almost always does it early for the player's benefit.

    The Steelers aren't dirtbags because they're heartless to the guys they cut. They are heartless to the guys they cut because they are dirtbags. With Shanahan gone, the Steeler's offensive line is now, by a huge margin, the dirtiest in the league. Tomlin's a punk, proving it with his comments during spygate... and their players follow suit, running their mouths as much as any teams in the league. Steelers ownership and FO might be good in many ways, but their coaches and their players are perfect representives of Pittsturd's population.
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    Actually....umm... no. Quite the opposite.

    Among all cities in the world, pittsburgh ranks 29th, which is also the top spot in the U.S.
    Pittsburgh ranked tops in U.S. by The Economist

    Here's a great article on how Pittsburgh is weathering the recession and booming because of it
    Pittsburgh’s economy springing back with less steel, more ‘ed and med’ | Construction Industry News | Reed Construction Data

    and there's this (pittsburgh ranks 18th on list of 100 cities economies)
    Pittsburgh ranked in nation's Top 20 on Brookings Institution list

    and this (pittsburgh to host G20 economic summit)
    Pittsburgh To Host G-20 Summit In September - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    aaaand this... (10 cities facing real estate recovery)
    10 Cities Primed for a Real Estate Recovery - Rick Newman (usnews.com)


    They also won a Lombardi and a Stanley Cup within 5 months of eachother.

    Keep talking trash on Pittsburgh, though. At least you'll be educated and know that the city you are trashing is one of the greatest cities in the U.S.
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