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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    We have won 3 SB's and have a chance at a 4th in a decade.
    We have 7 division titles this decade.
    We have won at least 9 games in each of the last nine seasons.
    We have the best organization in the NFL.
    We have a relatively young team, with relatively few free agents.
    We have extra draft choices in the next two drafts.
    We have one of the top QB's ever to have played, and he wants to stay long-term.
    We have no major controversies within the team or coaching staff.
    We have a fine stadium and fine faciolities.
    We have sold out every game since Kraft bought the team.
    We are well set for the future.
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    and we like to complain
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    Amen to that sir.
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    We have the best coach in the NFL.

    The glass is 7/8's full... we are lucky to be witnessing this run.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2010
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    I'm guessing you're the glass half full type.


    :D

    But you do make a convincing argument
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    AND......We are better off than 31 other teams in the league with Brady and BB....

    Go PATS!!
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    All that you say is true and, yes, Pats fans have witnessed a great run. Let's hope the Kraft family and BB are willing to pay out the money necessary to keep it going. Losing great players every year, though part of the game, can be devastating over the long run. Those who make these decisions have to be smarter in talent evaluation than those running the other 31 franchises, but they also have to be willing to pay it out when there's no reasonable alternative. Let's hope the Pats' talent evaluators get it right more often than not.
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    I think their track record to date has been pretty good and shows that they get it right more often than not.
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    mgteich, your threads are always inspiring and I've had a good feeling for the game all week and your post makes me wish it was sunday NOW...:singing:
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    Do not understand you comments, the Kraft family usually pay right up to the salary cap...

    Evaluating college talent is a crap shoot, and have to consider that something like 23 of our 53 are udfa's....
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    I dunno. Having Al Davis or Dan Snyder as Patriots owners would make it an interesting ride.
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    Thanks. That's a nice way to start the day.
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    Who cares? All that matters is the next game.
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    How pumped are you for this game!!
    I put ooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
    I put ooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
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    How about this one...

    November 12th, 2006

    That's the last time Tom Brady lost a home game.
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    We also have the most expensive tickets and parking of ALL teams! ... uh ... oops.:eek:
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    The only game that matters to me is the next one....but yeah, we did ok last decade...:)
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    Let me explain by example.

    This year it seems the Pats skimped on the defensive backfield at a time when the game is transitioning quickly into more and more of a passing game.

    Combined, Wheatley, Butler, Chung, Wilhite, Meriweather and Sanders have a salary of $2.475 million this year. Bodden earns $2.25 and Springs earns $1.75. Thats a total of $6.75 million for the Pats' entire defensive backfield.

    To put that into a little perspective, Reveis earns $7.5, Samuel earns $10.0 and Champ Bailey earns $12 million.

    Just seems to me the Pats value the DB position somewhat less than other teams, and this year in particular, this is hurting the Pats' overall success. While I think Samuel and Bailey are overvalued, I also think there is a middle ground somewhere.

    BTW, the Pats are currently $3.2 million under the cap
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    Who would have thought this back in 2000? I would have NEVER guessed a decade like this in my wildest homeristic dreams. Drew Bledsoe had peaked early in his career and was only getting worse. Hard to see him ever taking us back to the Super Bowl. Terry Glenn looked like our only true talent on offense and wasn't even on the field half the time. No running threat let alone running game to speak of. The defense seemed okay with a talent base of Willie Mac/Bru/Ted Johnson/Law/Milloy but weren't nearly good enough to carry the team as they were in '96. Nobody knew what Belicheck was capable of, though I was always fond of Weis from his Jets days. It was truly a hopeless situation aside from the fact that this is a parity league and any team can make a run at any time.
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    So, your issue really isn't with the Kraft family not spending, it's with BB not using that money on the correct players and emphasis. Not saying you're right or wrong, but that's a VERY important distinction to make.

    Also, 3.2 under the cap I think is pretty par for the course when you consider the flexibility it gives you through the season, and there are tricks to contracts that allow you to use the space at the end of the year that will ree up a little space next year, etc. I think anyway, someone better with the cap can say if I'm on the right track.
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    I am very grateful to have been able to watch the Pats this decade. They have been a great team, and back in 2001, when Boston had been devoid of any championships for more than 12 years, this really seemed to turn around Boston sports as a whole.
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    Fans that are post Bledsoe and Brady have trouble appreciating the yearly competitiveness of the team. Having sat through Mike Taliaferro, Joe Kapp, et al, we have a great franchise to follow. We've are having a great run and hopefully we can get another five years before we lose the benefit of Bill and Tom but more importantly is sustaining the ownership support.

    Pass the Kool Aid please, I can't get enough of it.
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    We have a mod who likes to complain about complainers.

    ;)
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    Your argument does not hold a lot of water, if we overpaid for Bodden or Springs that this D backfield would be better?? If you understand how this franchise works that there are specific financial values for certain spots..

    Cannot find Miguel's draft page for 2009, but your figures seem a little low..no McGowan numbers are included..

    3.2 million would not make much difference, personally as much as I like Bailey and Samuel.. it is way too much money for DB's.....

    It is easy to say that we underspent on DB's as the root of this problem, but there are others... AD underperforming, Mayo's knee, pass rush issues, Warren & Vince injuries.. to say any or small group of people underperforming effected this team, begs the issue.
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    So who gets cut to fit the one player you want. Cutting the entire backfield, as you point out is 6.75 mllion and you want one player that makes 10-12mil? I don't see it. I would love to have Revis and his contract isn't that bad compared to Samuels. But you know next contract he'll want twice that. Sometimes you got to let them go before they ruin your whole payroll
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    I agree and that's exactly my point. Talent evaluation is everything in the NFL but it also has to be linked to value. My original post in this thread was that I hoped the past success would continue and for that to happen BB would have to continue to be smarter than 31 other teams at both evaluating talent and assigning value to position. Only time will tell if these young DB's will develop into really good players, and then, as you stated, they will want bigger contracts. That's where the decision is.

    I didnt suggest getting 1 player for 10-12Mil. I suggested there is a middle ground in there.
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    Never suggested paying more for Bodden and Springs; only pointing out the low value the Pats seem to put on DB's relative to the rest of the league.
    Miguel's site is patscap..com

    The lack of an effective pass rush has been well chronicled here and elsewhere, in spite of big money spent trying to fix it. I brought up the DB's because it seems big money has not been thrown in that direction.
    McGowan's salary is $550K, btw.
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    If I understand correctly, Belichick made a mistake when he brought in two of the best corners available for $4M instead of paying $7M or $10M and being in danger of being over the cap. Bringing in mid-level priced free agents is one of the cornerstones of the patriot strategy over the past decade. We have occasionally brought in top free agents (Colvin and Thomas) for big money, but that is the exception.

    What you really arguing with is an issue of allocation of cap monies. You would have moved money around. I guess you would have paid more for the secondary and less for some other position. Who would have chosen instead of Bodden? Perhaps you would have chosen not to bring in Taylor or Baker and used the money on more expenisve corners. Perhaps you would have not kept as large an emergency cap fund in case of injuries. We have had relatively few players placed on IR this year after then season started, which is why we still have the $3M we still have. We had the normal amount of excess going into the season.

    I find it curious that you complaining about the secondary. They have performed very well. And more importantly, they are a great VALUE. If there is one place where Belichick excelled in this last offseason it was in bringing in secondary help while the youngsters developed. Bodden, Springs and McGowan have been a critical part of our 2009 defense.

    In the end, the nfl is a zero sum game. Teams win in the long-run by using their monies wisely. The Krafts spend as much as anyone, always close to the cap. At the end of any year, excess cap money is moved to the next. The result for each year is that we have spent the total cap amount each year since the cap started, carrying over a couple of million each year.

    There are places that money is spent that is NOT subject to the cap. The Krafts have spent a lot on facilities. They have built the stadium with their own money instead of coming to the towns around begging for money as other owners have done.

    The only criticism I have for the Krafts with regard to spending monies is that I believe that we underspend with regard to coordinators. Obviously the Krafts disagree. We have a top coach and a top assistant coach, so, for the patriots, coordinators are less imporant than for some other teams.




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    I'm not sure it's an unwillingness to spend money on coordinators, so much as a philosophy that it is better to grow the coordinators from within rather than seek outside help. A way of maintaining continuity and maybe of avoiding any kind of conflicting personalities (since anyone who was "raised" in the Pats system knows BB is the boss).

    That doesn't mean you're incorrect in criticizing that approach, just that I don't think it's a matter of undervaluing the position.
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    The primary reason that Weiss left is that the patriots undervalue the position. His compensation may have been fair or not. However, it was considerably less than others were paying.

    QUOTE=Sicilian;1677876]I'm not sure it's an unwillingness to spend money on coordinators, so much as a philosophy that it is better to grow the coordinators from within rather than seek outside help. A way of maintaining continuity and maybe of avoiding any kind of conflicting personalities (since anyone who was "raised" in the Pats system knows BB is the boss).

    That doesn't mean you're incorrect in criticizing that approach, just that I don't think it's a matter of undervaluing the position.[/QUOTE]
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    You sure about that mgteich? Weis wanted to be a HC.
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