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  1. Seymour93

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    This will go unmentioned on Fox News and the rest of the American media. From The Independent (UK)...

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1919396.ece

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    There is a difference between phosphorous bombs and chemical weapons which are typicall viewed as a gas. You were aware of that right?
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    The effects of phosphorous bombs are very similar to many chemical weapons. It's considered an uncoventional weapon and is generally frowned upon by the international community.
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    So, there is nothing wrong with what they did?

    Did you read this part:
    "During the conflict, doctors in Lebanon reported treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal." ?
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    Of course there's nothing wrong. It's perfectly fine for Israel to terrorize other country's populations in order to 'defend' their own. :rolleyes:
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    If they violated bans on these weapons and used them illegally of course it was wrong and peolple should be held accountable.

    I have mixed feelings when Lebanese doctors talk about civilians, in that Hexbollah hides among civilains and uses them as shields as part of their strategy and tatics, and also they dress as civilians.

    It is tough for the Israeli's (or any army) fighting this sort of asymettrical war to try to differentiate between the civilians and the combatants.

    We also have to deal with the terrorist manipulation of the media. There were doctored and staged massacres of civilians being put out by Hezbollah during the Israeli incursion into Lebanon this summer.

    I documented some of that on this site this summer.
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    And that story - where Hezbollah supposedly killed en masse the Lebanese and then blamed it on the IDF - originated from Israeli tabloids. So we're supposed to believe the Israeli tabloids who are certainly agenda-free (yeah right) while ignoring the mainstream international press?
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    Yes ... Seymour as are the Cluster Bombs used by Hamas and made elsewhere....so do tell ... why did you fail to post that???

    That the cluster bombs were fired upon the civilian population???

    Ahh, you have always attacked the Jews on this site ... so at least you remain consistant in your hate. But please, spare us the one is badder than the other B.S. .... the members of this forum are much to smart for that.

    Israel has a history of nastiness as do it's enemies...unfortunatley the way it is....and will remain to be long after we here have passed....Arabs and Israelies think in terms of hundreds of years and thus the hostilities will never , ever end.
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    No it came from Bloggers who noticed some of the Hezbullies who had been at the scene of different 'atrocities' over the years, and a sequence fromt he same photog who doctored the photos of the bombing in Beruit.

    He even has a nickname, the 'green helmet guy'.
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    Seymour93,

    What does the international community say about suicide bombers blowing themselves up in crowded cafes?

    I don't condone the use of chemical weapons on civilians, but there are multiple sides to this conflict and you seem only willing to look at one.
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    I have no problem with this. I think Israel has shown remarkable restraint given that most of it's neighbors nearby want all the people in Israel to be pushed into the water.
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    Did you condemn the U.S. military when it used these same chemical weapons on the citizens of Fallujah? I have a feeling that you did at the time. But why not condemn Israel when it uses the same dirty tactics? Hmmm.

    Us or Russia? :confused:
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    Do you think I promote some ******** blowing up a bunch of schoolkids or a crowded pizzeria? I understand how people can become that disillusioned into becoming a suicide bomber. It's certainly easy for a young Palestianian to grow up loathing Isreal since its occupying their homeland and treating their people like ****. It's easy to comprehend as to why the Iraqi's hate us too. But you see I have an allegiance to THIS country. I have no allegiance to Israel, so I'll criticize them 'til the cows come home.
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    Well since we took Saddam out there have been fewer suicide bombers. Why? he paid a bounty of $25k to the families of suicide bombers.
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    As Terry Francona would say: "I think you need to do your homework".

    First of all, WP is not a banned armament. It's simply barred from being used when targeting military interests in civilian areas. Second, Israel admitted to using them, but not to using them in the manner which is prohibited. Third, WP is banned in this manner by a 1980 protocol to the Geneva Convention which nieither the US, nor Israel is a signatory to.

    http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=57798&CFID=21181167&CFTOKEN=77156212

    *Israel has admitted for the first time that it used phosphorus bombs during its war on Lebanon but said they were only used against Hezbollah targets.
    *Reports during the fighting said several Lebanese civilians carried injuries consistent with attacks by phosphorus, which burns when it comes into contact with air. Many corpses were "entirely shriveled with black-green skin" due to phosphorus.
    *The third protocol of the Geneva Convention on Conventional Weapons, of which Israel and the United States are not signatories, restricts the use of "incendiary weapons" including phosphorus.



    Now, what is really interesting about all this, is that the anti-american/israeli crowd is so bias in it's views that it fails to ever mention the blatant violations by Hezbollah during the conflict.

    http://www.planetxapps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=380

    Like this one:

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    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html

    Photos that damn Hezbollah

    Chris Link

    July 30, 2006 12:00am

    Sunday Herald Sun

    THIS is the picture that damns Hezbollah. It is one of several, smuggled from behind Lebanon's battle lines, showing that Hezbollah is waging war amid suburbia.

    The images, obtained exclusively by the Sunday Herald Sun, show Hezbollah using high-density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy-calibre weapons.

    Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly disappear, the militants carrying automatic assault rifles and ride in on trucks mounted with cannon.

    The photographs, from the Christian area of Wadi Chahrour in the east of Beirut, were taken by a visiting journalist and smuggled out by a friend.
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    Were they civilians or Hezbollah fighters shooting rockets into Haifa murdering innocent Israeli's? Or is it ok for Hezbollah to dress in plain cloths, park a launcher next to a school or hospital, and target civililians without a chirp from the "international community"?
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    Actually there have been more suicide bombers since the fall of Baathist Iraq. The suicide bombers are targeting bakeries in Baghdad and Mosul instead of Tel Aviv now, but that's a whole 'nother issue.
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    Yes, because being anti-Isreal is the exact same thing as being anti-American... :rolleyes:
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    You mean the international MSM like CNN and the BBC?
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    I really couldnt care less what type of weapons are used. This is war.


    Good thing Seymour wasnt around in August of 1945.
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    If you have the time, I reccomend you watch this documentary linked in the thread below. It's from a certain angle you may not like, but it does offer some interesting points and historical incidents that I'd never known about. The later parts are rather informative historically. It shows how fugged up the ME has been in the last 30 years.

    http://www.planetxapps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=508
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    Yes. There's no reason not too unless you read rightwing blogs.
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    Originally Posted by Turk
    So, there is nothing wrong with what they did?

    Did you read this part:
    "During the conflict, doctors in Lebanon reported treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal." ?




    It is already established that many many civilians were injured during the Israeli attacks, photos of women and children are everywhere to see. To argue otherwise is plain silly.

    As to the number of the injured, the ratio is extremely lopsided as to who targets civilians. So, why is it that while we recognize one party to be terrorists, we go on to pat the other in the back when their actions are just as bad (actually a lot worse)?

    I am not doubting for a second that Arab terrorists are dressing up in civilian clothes and attacking civilians. That is not being applauded here by anyone even though a few posters keep equating being critical of Israeli atrocities to anti-semitism, because it serves their purpose.

    Nobody condones terrorism and its cowardice, but let's be consistent in condemning it, no matter who it is being committed by.
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    We are both considered "zionist" regimes. Those who despise Israel for no other reason than because it is Israel, also despise the US for its unflinching support. Furthermore, the anti-american/israeli sentiment I mention is obviously with respect to American and Israeli matters. Seems though that you would only like to point fingers at one side as opposed to point fingers at those deserving. Kinda like blindly supporting a party. Why not call a spade a spade and toss criticism where it is due?
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    No, people like BBfan clearly condone Isreali-sponsered terrorism. Meanwhile many of the leftwing posters on here turn a blind eye to it because they happen to be Jewish.

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    That's ok because he was just going to grow up to be a terrorist right?
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    I guess you missed this:


    BBC admits: We are biased on religion and politics


    Internal corporation memo on ‘impartiality’ summit leaked to British media exposes truth on BBC bias

    Hagit Klaiman Published: 10.23.06, 16:10

    LONDON – The British Broadcasting Corporation has been struggling for several years against criticisms and claims of biased reporting concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and distorted coverage of the global fight against terror.

    Following a diplomatic incident with Israel, the BBC appointed an editor known for his objective reporting, however, the true stance of the corporation’s editors remained the same.

    An internal memo, recently discovered by the British media, revealed what the BBC has been trying to hide. Senior figures admitted in a recent 'impartiality' summit that the BBC was guilty of promoting Left-wing views and anti-Christian sentiment.

    Most executives admitted that the corporation’s representation of homosexuals and ethnic minorities was unbalanced and disproportionate, and that it leaned too strongly towards political correctness, the overt promotion of multiculturalism, anti-Americanism and discrimination against the countryside.

    Okay to trash Bible, not Quran

    A truly shocking revelation to come out of the summit was expected to invoke a storm in Britain, which has already reached the boiling point with regards to the treatment of Muslims and the issue of the veil.



    My guess is you approve of CNN's airing of a terrorist propoganda video too. Of course CNN would cite its "importance" in showing the truth, or actual events, while at the same time it refused to air the decapitation of Nick Berg, nor show those maericans who were falling from the WTC towers on 9/11. Hmmm.... What's worse about them airing the propoganda video, which would be fine if they were genuinely sincere about showing all truths, is that they did it right after Al-Queda released a working paper about how they planned to use the MSM to spew propoganda to the American people. Just lovely.
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    I must've been asleep during history class whenever they went over the part where George Washington, Franklin, Hamilton and co. were all proud zionists in their day.

    To me it's just as disgusting whenever the IDF target civilian hospitals as it is when somebody blows himself up on a bus. I don't think many on here feel the same though.
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    Like I said, most people who don't listen to Rush Lambaugh, watch Fox News, or read right wing blogs take what the BBC, CNN, Washington Post, NYT, etc. say pretty seriously.
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    Did I ever say that citizens weren't injured during Israeli attacks? I know they were, I saw the video on TV, I don't live in a cave, nor am I some biased zombie incapable of objective views. My point is quite simple. That while many are so quick to lob criticism at the "zionist" regimes, they are incredibley silent in discussing the violations of the home team.

    I've been critical of Israel plenty of times. In this instance, I happen to feel that Israel was well in its rights. How would you expect the US to act if a terror group (Hezbollah is a terrorist org. and arm of the govt.) in Mexico similar to Hezbollah, crossed into the US, and kidnapped (abducted if you prefer) and murdered US soldiers? Wouldn't you expect us to fight back? Hezbollah is to blame for this. They not only started this particular mess, they also used UN observers as shields, used hospitals, residential areas, and schools as cover, and dressed in civilian cloths for the express purpose of exploitation. If the Lebanese want Israel to leave it alone, then they need to stop permitting attacks on Israel from inside its borders.
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    It is unreal to think that these words come out of the mouth of an American, the excuses that some lefties give to terrorists is disturbing. Of course the likes of Saddam Huessien, Hezzbollah and Sami Al-Arian are always defended by certain lefties on this board. The hatred of Jews should just be a plank in the democrat platform.

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