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    Peace Corps Gang Rape: Volunteer Jess Smochek Says US Agency Ignored Warnings - ABC News

    What the heck kind of "counseling" is that?
     
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    Pretty much the same kind of counseling females in the military get, apparently.

    In some cases, soldiers have had to keep fighting alongside, or even under, the person who assaulted them; been ostracized by their units for reporting an attack; or, as another woman says, simply “shoved to the side.” Havrilla and 16 others are now plaintiffs in a class action suit filed Tuesday against Defense Secretary Robert Gates and his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld, alleging that their failure to act amounted to a violation of the plaintiffs’ Constitutional rights. The suit, brought by Washington, D.C. attorney Susan Burke, and filed in the Eastern Virginia federal court, charges that despite ample evidence of the problem, both Gates and Rumsfeld “ran institutions in which perpetrators were promoted; … in which Plaintiffs and other victims were openly subject to retaliation."

    In particular, a 1950 Supreme Court ruling, known as the Feres Doctrine, places the military beyond the reach of workplace laws regarding sexual discrimination and sexual harassment. To make matters worse, charges are usually investigated within the immediate chain of command. “There’s no investigatory training. They don’t tell you to look for evidence,” says Greg Jacob, who spent 10 years in the Marines and rose to the rank of captain. Instead, they hand over a manual for courts martial, which explains, among other things, that the investigating officer should consider, first and foremost, “the character and military service of the accused.”


    Gates, Rumsfeld Sued Over US Military's Rape Epidemic

    And if neither of these is sick enough - or indictitive of the way society is beginning to think again - read the following and weep....

    CLEVELAND, Tex. — The police investigation began shortly after Thanksgiving, when an elementary school student alerted a teacher to a lurid cellphone video that included one of her classmates.

    The video led the police to an abandoned trailer, more evidence and, eventually, to a roundup over the last month of 18 young men and teenage boys on charges of participating in the gang rape of an 11-year-old girl in the abandoned trailer home, the authorities said.

    The case has rocked this East Texas community to its core and left many residents in the working-class neighborhood where the attack took place with unanswered questions. Among them is, if the allegations are proved, how could their young men have been drawn into such an act?

    It’s just destroyed our community,” said Sheila Harrison, 48, a hospital worker who says she knows several of the defendants. “These boys have to live with this the rest of their lives.”

    The affidavit said the assault started after a 19-year-old boy invited the victim to ride around in his car. He took her to a house on Travis Street where one of the other men charged, also 19, lived. There the girl was ordered to disrobe and was sexually assaulted by several boys in the bedroom and bathroom. She was told she would be beaten if she did not comply, the affidavit said.

    A relative of one of the suspects arrived, and the group fled through a back window. They then went to the abandoned mobile home, where the assaults continued. Some of those present recorded the sexual acts on their telephones, and these later were shown among students.

    Residents in the neighborhood where the abandoned trailer stands — known as the Quarters — said the victim had been visiting various friends there for months. They said she dressed older than her age, wearing makeup and fashions more appropriate to a woman in her 20s. She would hang out with teenage boys at a playground, some said.

    “Where was her mother? What was her mother thinking?”
    said Ms. Harrison, one of a handful of neighbors who would speak on the record. “How can you have an 11-year-old child missing down in the Quarters?”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html?_r=3
     
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    It's not even about that. How many women get raped every day in the USA? I would guess it is a terrible number.
     
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    That it is wrong to ask women to explain how they got themselves in that position.

    Did you read the article?
     
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    Of course when this discussion was held about the women who was raped by Haliburton Contractors, and then locked in a storage container.. the extreeeeme righties said she had it coming and denied her story.

    Victim: Gang-Rape Cover-Up by U.S., Halliburton/KBR - ABC News

     
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    Another failure of the Bush years. Wow. What a disaster that guy was.

    I'd love to learn more about the counselors. Even the most basic counseling teaches not to blame the victim. Maybe the Peace Corps was infiltrated during the Bush years with religious conservatives as counselors. There should be an investigation.
     
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    I guess I assumed the Peace Corps would be different.

    That Cleveland, TX case is leading to some racial tensions between the Latino and African-American communities. What kind of person goes after an 11 year-old? How many guys? 18?

    Blaming the adolescent girl. Nice.

    A Lot of People in Cleveland, Texas, Blame 11-Year-Old for Being Raped -- Daily Intel
     
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    More on the Jamie Leigh Situation...

    The Jamie Leigh Foundation

    The original thread here, the extreeeeeme righties felt she had it coming..

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...urton-employees-govt-halliburton-coverup.html


    OTOH prior to retirement did a lot of victimization work, and was involved in a lot of court proceedings.. blaming the victim is less than before, but has a long way to go. In the mid 70's was difficult getting the "systems" to respond to and attempt to deal with sexual abuse, and there was always the spectre of blaming the victim/he or she asked for it.

    When I retired it was less so, due to a lot of advocacy, but it still has a long way to go....
     

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