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    Hang onto your heads, this could be the end of Sarah Palin, Pelosi, Pant Suit Hillary, Hollywood, Bo Bop Diddle and finally The Fox News Girls, this religion would never tolerate all that sh!t.

    Is this the start of the takeover?

    They are going to start teaching Arabic in this school and look where the school is, TEXAS, lol.

    Mandatory Arabic Classes Coming To Mansfield CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
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    Of Sharia Law.......? :confused2:

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    More wasted taxpayer money ... let's just print some more.
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    Maybe it's the start of "Keeping up," Harry.

    English is already mandatory in several Islamic countries. Iran, Qatar, Egypt and Malaysia to start with.

    The medium of instruction is Malay for SK, Mandarin and simplified Chinese characters writing for SJK(C), and Tamil for SJK(T). Malay and English are compulsory subjects in all schools.

    Education in Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The official language of instruction in Iran is Farsi/Persian. In most private schools (queir-entefaai) English and/or French are taught. The English language is taught as the second language in all public schools (entefaai), starting with 7th grade and is compulsory through the secondary-level years.

    EducationUSA Iran | Education System of Islamic Republic of Iran

    [PDF] Qatar Reshapes Its Schools, Putting English Over IslamFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
    by SB Glasser - Cited by 14 - Related articles
    Qatar Reshapes Its Schools, Putting English Over Islam. Conservatives See Reform as Extension of U.S. Influence in Gulf. By Susan B. Glasser ...


    www.english.sec.gov.qa/files/886_WPOST.pdf

    Arabic Schools, provide the governmental national curriculum in the Arabic Language. A governmental English language curriculum is taught starting at first Primary year and French is added as a second foreign language in Secondary Education.

    Education in Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You really want that they should understand us but we cannot understand them?

    Sounds like a recipe for disaster if you ask me.
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    Well ... with all the Latin Americans here perhaps they should all learn Spanish ... then Arabic ... and let's not forget French as they are our greatest ally ... and don't forget Chinese - if we owe them any more money we may become the united states of China.

    All kidding aside - if we have money to spend on that then let's use it to better educate our kids to be prepared for college first. We have kids going to high school that can barely read and write and we're going to teach them Arabic - what a joke.
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    Social Agenda's come first (feel good slopping) also right now for some reason known only to the crazy batty
    f-cking liberal left wing brain America is going through a period of "Islamic Worshiping And Muslim Ass Kissing" it won't be long before Katie Couric & Joy Bedar are wearing Burka's, Michelle will be running around the White House with her scarf on and Windbag Biden will be throwing rocks at his wife.

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    After they learn how talk Arab who the hell are they going to talk to, I havent seen an Arab since 1932, I havent seen a Muslim since Mohammad Ali was on the Johnny Carson Show.

    Spanish Are Everywhere isn't this bigotry towards the Spanish Speaking People in America.

    Do Muslims Own Dogs.........:confused:
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    Spanish is already mandatory in several school districts in border states - including Texas.

    English is mandatory in most schools in France and in all schools in China. They seem to understand what we do not. Mainly that communication is s first line of both a good defense and a good offense.

    SparkLife » What It?s Like to Live In?Paris, France

    Is English invading Chinese culture?

    I'm not sure that any specific second languages should be mandatory in any school - but I do think a wide variety should be available - and that it be mandatory that each student study at least one of them long enough to become proficient in it.

    It's not about "getting along," although it would surely help - it's about staying on equal footing. Any time you are dealing with people in a language you do not understand you are at an automatic disadvantage. In today's world, with enterprise going global, virtually all jobs will eventually entail a language other than English. The more speakers we have in various languages, the better we, as individuals and as a country, will be equipped to stay competititve.

    If my son had even a rudimentary understanding of Arabic I'm confident he'd have a job today. There is a huge need for such services in The United States in various fields. Perhaps Texas is simply trying to prepare it's children for the future - and they understand that the future is much better prepared for if you have a skill that is in demand.
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    You make valid points - I'm just saying we are 18th among 36 nations in secondary education. Let's fix what's not working before we spend that money in other areas. Our education system is a shambles right now which leads to more outlays in welfare and social services later in life.

    U.S. slipping in education rankings - UPI.com
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    Do American Muslims apply for those jobs, that sounds like a pretty good deal for them.
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    These grants were awarded in 2009.. find the language interesting, specifically as it is mandatory..

    What comes to mind was after 9/11 that there were not a lot of folks who spoke farsi, do not believe it should be mandatory, but might turn on some folks to learn this language..
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    First we have to figure out what's not working.....

    I do know that when I went to school it was mandatory to take at least 2 years of a foreign language in high school - apparently that's no longer true in most states.

    Point is, my generation scored higher than the following generations in standardized tests - perhaps the second language requirement was a good one?

    CA
    One year of foreign language or visual and performing arts

    IL
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    art;
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    vocational education.

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    The MassCore program includes four years of English; four years of mathematics; three years of lab-based science; three years of history; two years of the same foreign language; one year of an arts program; and five additional "core" courses such as business education, health, and technology.

    VA
    No foreign language requirement

    Most of the states I checked (and I did not check them all) seem to lump foreign languages in with other electives - and the other electives tend to be no-brainers.

    State Graduation Requirements - NCEO
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    I'm sure they do...would you not like non-Muslim Americans to have the same opportunity?

    And if so, why not?
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    Fine with me, the Muslims should open up some "Muslim Language Schools" for those interested, the American people shouldn't be forced to pay for "Loon Social Feel Good Experiments"

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    They must be going nuts down there in Texas I thought the whole state was a hotbed of Red Neck Neo Cons now look at this one, they gave "Vick The Doggy Man" the keys to Dallas--------------:confused:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...oversy-confronta707tion-at-Dal?urn=nfl-318196
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    The only social agendas in Texas schools are to try to teach religion as science (ironic for this thread and your hatred of Muslims and libruls, no?) and to try to expunge anything the school board conservatives deem as somehow unflattering to the US or contradictory to their own personal worldview.

    I guess you can't comprehend that this is, Texas, though -- since it contradicts your own (fantasy) worldview of "the crazy batty
    f-cking liberal left wing brain America is going through a period of "Islamic Worshiping And Muslim Ass Kissing""
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    So you want to outsource still more American jobs, is that it?

    You think it's better that we are forced to send our children to foreigners to learn things than let American teachers teach them in our own schools?

    Like I said before, I am not fond of any one specific language being mandatory in the US school system - but I do think that several years of "a" foreign language should be mandatory - with a large selection to choose from. Arabic being one of them.
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    I'm torn on language requirements.

    First of all, a year or 2, the way they're taught in most public schools, is a complete waste. many kids don't take it seriously, and they can barely say hello and goodbye after completing the requirement.

    Even for students who do take it seriously and have an aptitude, though, I think it's of questionable value. I took Spanish in middle school and high school, and I was a good student. But living in Massachusetts, one's ability to use the language (then, anyway) was limited -- unlike, say, many parts of Texas. So my Spanish skills deteriorated greatly after high school. That said, when I took a refresher course before going to South America for a few weeks, I at least had a pretty good base to work from, and after those few weeks, my Spanish was pretty good.

    Long way of saying that foreign language skills are a great idea in theory, but there are some practical limitations even when handled well by the school andd the students.
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    Learning a foreign language opens the mind. It exercises synaptic circuits that are important to creative and flexible thinking. Those pathways become hard-wired and open to learning new languages when you get older, as you have experienced yourself, Chico. It also opens the mind to the concept that there are humans on the planet- most of them, in fact- who do not speak English (or as they say in Texas, "American"). There are many more jobs one can qualify for if they speak a second language. It should be mandatory in middle and high school for six years. Even better one that uses a different alphabet.
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    It's an interesting point you bring up.

    Do we want to allow other cultures and languages within America? ,opening different ways of thinking and diversity. Exposing more Americans to foreign parts of the world.

    or

    Do we want to force our own way of life on the cultures, that enter America, and require they become Americanized, learn english. Forget there old ways.

    Never thought of that. Maybe it is worth the money to keep their culture intact, so we can experience it.
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    It's not a bad idea in general for kids to learn foreign languages, and in the best case, even do some traveling so they get to use them. I understand the point about "basics first," but language acquisition is basic.

    I had a back and forth with one of our locals who works in ICE, who had this whole involved understanding of these illegals and what drives them and how they all have a 'flat screen tv' when he kicks in their doors, etc. ('Flat screen TV' is evidently the new meme for something someone shouldn't have because they should be impoverished.) He had a whole long involved concept of what they were saying to each other in Spanish, because he knew all about their inner thoughts. I asked him whether he spoke Spanish -- as keenly concerned as he was with this group, he didn't.

    Hell, it would be useful to know Arabic if you go to one of those countries the U.S. has on the payroll, like Detroit. DOH. I mean Kuwait.

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    "...to force our own way of life on the cultures that enter America"?? WTF??

    Look, the way of the world is and always has been that if you go into someone else's land, you adopt their lifestyle, language and culture. That is not only common sense, it's the right way.

    If you come into my house, you respect my rules, not vise-versa.

    I LOVE the fact that immigrants must learn english and that our culture forces them to become Americanized!! That's awesome stuff pherin and the way it should be. We and our immigrants should celebrate becoming Americanized...hell, why else would so damn many people want to become American?

    Wakeup my bru-tha!~
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    That's all well and fine, but all of America is not your house, PR. There are many people who keep the ideals and "customs" of their ancestors and their homeland here in America - and they are welcome to do so. That's one of the reasons that people DO come here - because they are free to become or retain whatever the heck they want.

    Um, no one must learn English. Most people who come here do learn it, but there's no law which says they "must." Nor do we force anyone to become anything. Wouldn't forcing anyone to become anything negate the idea of freedom?

    A good portion of the people in our condo building do not speak English - another portion speaks it brokenly. At any given time you can get in the elevator and there will be a girl in skin tight blue jeans, a woman in a sari pushing a baby carriage, a woman in a burka, a man with a turban and a pug on a leash, a hispanic teenager with his pants falling off, a 20-something with a tattoo on his neck and two full sleeves, a Polish speaking woman with a walker, a black guy with dreadlocks down to his waist and a guy in a suit with earbuds in his ear and a FBI ID hanging off his belt. You will hear 5 different languages being spoken and someone's IPod will be playing rap music loud enough for everyone to hear.

    We all smile, we all say "Hello," or "Buenos dios," or whatever greeting is appropriate for the time of day. We all ask, "What floor?" and push the proper button and we all say, "Have a good day," when someone gets off on their floor.

    That's America as it was intended to be, PR. Not some small suburb where everyone speaks the same language, where everyone looks alike and where everyone's afraid of anyone who doesn't look, sound, smell and talk exactly like they do.
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    Back in the day when I was in Seminary School(thank you Jim Morrison).. on a serious note back in the day when I was in school with the good Christian Brothers had to take two years of a dead language, Latin.

    Hated every moment of it.. amo, amas, amat... but somehow made it, and contend to this day that this and typing were the two biggest benefits of high school( except booze and sex)...

    Later took French and Portuguese, all of which help immensely with this language of ours..

    The reality was in 2011 there were very few folks in the US intelligence community who understood Farsi and the nuances of that language...

    BTW teaching Farsi does not mean that they are teaching how to be a good muslim..

    BTW if they did not want to do this they should not have applied for this 2009 grant..
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    I, too, chose Latin to fullfill my language requirement in high school, and it's stood me in good stead all these long years later. Of course you can't "talk" it, but so what? There are numerous languages, ours included, which are based upon Latin and if you've got a good grasp of it you can suss out many different words in many different languages - and appreciate where it all came from.

    There's a part of me which wishes that a foreign language was required in grammar schools instead of high school. Little kids learn so fast and retain so much that it would be much easier to teach them when they are younger rather than wait until they are older. My two grandchildren are bi-lingual thanks to a Hispanic babysitter. They learned Spanish right along with English and there never seemed to be any confusion for them. They will, hopefully, retain both languages throughout their lifetimes.

    I do freelance writing and I occasionally pick up odd jobs on CraigsList. Virtually every ad which is looking for a translator is looking for someone who speaks/reads/writes Arabic. I'm pretty sure they can name their price.

    No more so than teaching Engish means you are teaching someone to become a good Christian. While we're at it, let's not forget that the bible wasn't originally written in English, either - it was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Plus, one can learn Chinese without learning to be a good Buddhist.

    It's a stupid argument and I can't believe the parents in Texas are using it.
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    What seems to be lost in this idle banter is that this was a grant they applied for, and the teaching of Arabic was a prerequisite.. if they did not want to fulfill the mandates of the grant they should not have applied.. comprende???

    INOW you do not have to apply for this type of grant.. it was their choice.

    Also this grant was awarded in 2009.. interesting or just a strange coincidence;););)

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