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  1. Seymour93

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    All that money and we can't beat these guys...


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    ridiculous, isn't it?

    imagine what could be done in this country if we spent, say, half that on the military? wow...

    Citizen Moore put it best when talking about CEOs... "So you're a billionaire. But, wouldn't it still be OK to be a half-a-billionaire?"
     
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    Socialist drivel. If you want to donate half your money to the government, feel free to. I'm sure they could find some use for the 25 cents they'll get from your piggy bank. In the mean time, don't try to force other people to do the same. If someone has earned money, then it's up to them what to do with it.
     
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    Total dollars versus percentage of GDP.


    At any rate, we do spend to much I think, but we spend to much on everything. I say slash an immidiate 20% off the top of the budget next year. Then we might be getting somewhere.

    As for beating "those" guys. If we wanted to just beat them, we'd have done it at the push of a button. The problem is, we have values whereas the savage primitives in the picture don't.
     
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    Capitalist drivel. I'm sure "the market drives" exuberant salaries and you have no problem with a CEO making as much as his entire company combined.

    Anyhow, I didn't mention anything about donating or forcing people to do anything. .... When you're done arguing with yourself, come back to us.
     
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    Why should our tax dollars go towards an apparently bloated military that merely boosts weapons stocks and soothes the neurotic righties who are afraid of foreigners? We spent 8x as much as China, and no one's even attacking us at home! What a waste.
     
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    Clearly, your agreeing with the man who said "what's wrong with making half a billion instead of a billion", right after saying how much the government "could have done with that (military) money", can only be construed in one way.

    This country was founded on a capitalistic system btw. This country is about individual rights. Capitalism is essentially, and individuals economy.

    Also, I can't stand it when I see a CEO get a $20 million dollar bonus. Thing is, some people can't stand that I own a home. Put me in the CEO's spot and I'm not complaining, put that other person in mine and they're not complaining either. Except for when they see someone with something they don't have. My point is, where I don't like it, I'm not about to force someone else from not having it.
     
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    Probably is. I'm not saying we spend enough, too much, or too little. I'd be fine with chopping it off the top. The problem is, I think we should chop some off the rest of government too. We spend half a trillion on Education. Do you think we should be wasting money on bloated union salaries, or on the illegal immigrants from other countries? You might, just as someone else might want to make sure we're well defended. Everything is relative. To me, the bottom line is that the government is far too big in all capacities. I could post how much money we spend on education, and ask why our kids are 14th on the planet in mathematics. All that money and we can't beat these guys.

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    Actually, we could "beat these guys" in a matter of a day or two but we aren't willing to incur the civilian casualties that would ensue. But we could easily kill the bad guys very quickly.

    Also I don't believe the China numbers.
     
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    As opposed to Medicare paying for a million uneeded pills. But that's not a waste, right ?
     
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    But with all that money allocated to weapons and research, shouldn't we have figured out a way to limit the collateral damage while eliminating the terrorist threat? The point is that we can throw as many resources to the problem as possible, however when you try to impose your will on others it won't work unless the mission is justified and worthy of the fight.
     
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    It is something isn't it? Besides mismanagement from Rummy and Bush, I view today's military commanders as weak in comparison to their predecessors. I'm talking about generals and admirals. If the likes of Patton, MacArthur and Nimitz were alive today they'd call them *****'s and make them cry. Tommy Franks et al were/are jokes when you look at some of the great military leaders we've had in the past. They don't even begin to compare when it comes to old fashioned grit and know how.
     
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    It is not a question of being able to or not.
    If we were to wipe them out, what would happen to the demand?
    You have heard of supply and demand?
    The demand would disappear and the suppliers will never have that.
    As long as there is $$$ to be made, and we allow it to be made, they will create conflicts and wars, so that their products are in demand.
    If it is not one thing, it is another.
     
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    Would like to see a comparable chart that would detail how much is estimated to have been spent on fraudulent activity, bad equipment, poor R & D in the military in general and the true costs of the mercernary force deployed in Iraq. Have no real idea of the amount or percentage, but would guess it would be higher than one would think.
     
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    We can't beat these guys because we don't fight to win anymore and they know it.

    Gen Patton & Harry Truman would show you how to do it.

    Some day the Muslim Religion will invade and defeat America, right now the Democrats are helping them.

    Good Luck.
     
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    Those guys carpet bombed people. Their enemies didn't hide among the populace. We dropped nukes on Japan. The american public didn't have the war AND strategy broadcast on TV. Totally different rules and situations.
     
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    We largely have but when the enemy lives among and dresses like the friend, there's no technology that can read their minds. But, sure, if we know there's an enemy building among a group of friendly buildings we can take down just the enemy building.
     
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    I pointed this out a little while ago. That for all the bluster and dollars spent, we get a pretty bad deal for our taxes. Maybe its because the military-industrial complex has a monopolized business. It sure as sh!t isn't capitalism, thats for sure. In a capitalist system, theres no way someone is forced to buy a toilet for $5000 and a hammer for $200.

    The problem occurred to Dwight Eisenhower and Albert Einstein around the same time. Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex consuming the heart and soul of a nation. Einstein judged, prophetically, that you cannot simultaneously prepare for and prevent war.

    We have started more conflicts in the past hundred years than anyone else. We have intervened in foreign affairs and played enemies off on one another.
    We armed the mooj. They are now using that past military support to re-establish the Caliphate. Goes around, comes around.

    Deal with it.
     
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    Don't you mean we should just turn the mideast into a parking lot so we can grab their oil resources and people like you and me can continue to live comfortably and ignorantly on the blood of our sons and daughters?
     
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    I didn't say that. I just said we could win the war in a day if we wanted to.
     

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