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  1. PatriotsReign

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    What happened to all our more left leaning democratic members? You can't tell me that they are surprised or saddened by what they knew was going to happen.

    Even the most liberal democrats in this country knew that our mainstream Americans would never tolerate a significant attempt to move this nation toward a more socialist society, so why all the (apperently) long faces?

    No administration or congress can announce plans to dramatically increase spending, the size of government, taxes on the wealthy and corporations AND social programs....all during an epic recession and expect mainstream Americans to sit quietly and say, "Yeah, this is ok"....that will never happen in our or at least my lifetime.

    Personally, I don't want them to leave the board because it will fall apart without them. We must argue!!
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    Probably.................. there is some mourning.

    There are 2 paths to choose.

    If Obama comes out soon AND SAYS THIS (and means it). He'll probably be fine, and go on to do some productive work (even if I may disagree with some of it).

    If not, and he continues on the same "My way or the highway" mentality........ Well, get your pitchforks ready, because the second American Revolution has begun........... Ironic that is started in places like Lexington and Concord, where it started the last time, no?
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    I wouldn't call it mourning, since I expected this to happen.

    Just a firm reminder that, sadly, the Democrats are as dysfunctional as the Republicans.
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    Congratulations Scott Brown, you staged a very good campaign,,,

    Martha you ran a lazy campaign, and took things for granted...

    Not sure it means much more than that, stay tuned..

    Who would haave thunk that a Level 3 Sex Offender convicted oif 15 felonies could have become a major player and advocate for Brownb:confused::confused:
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    #24 Jersey

    Of course it means more than that, it means the Dems can't run all over the people and now have to listen to the other side. They still have massive majorities but there's speed bumps now.

    And anyone who thinks this is just about Coakley is fooling themselves but we'll talk about that in November.
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    Just curious, but were you this concerned about respecting the wishes of the minority from 2000-2008?
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    #24 Jersey

    The Republicans never had these kinds of majorities in those years. They never had the magic 60 in the Senate. So your question is moot.
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    Wow, that's some...err...selective memory you've got going there, I'll give you that. Also, a stunning ability to miss the point entirely.
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    Boy, you dems sure don't tire of "going to the well" with that argument, do you?

    I GUESS WE HAVE OUR ANSWER :rolleyes:
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    Maybe you should work up a little more faux outrage while you're at it.

    The point is that, even with 60 votes, the Democrats can't get anything done because they're feckless and spineless little rumpswabs.

    Contrarily, even when the Republicans have the slimmest of majorities, they can do whatever the hell they want because, while they're insane, they have incredible party discipline and are absolutely shameless.
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    I don't think he did. Pubbies got sent to the "wilderness" in 2006 and then in 2008 for not paying service to the minority. You guys (dems) danced and sang with glee, while totally ignoring the lessons that were so recently offered to you, courtesy of the American people.

    Pack your camping gear........... Unless things change.... you guys are headed back into the woods come November.
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    #24 Jersey

    Am I wrong ? I looked it up here :

    U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Origins & Development > Party Division

    The number of Republicans was :

    99-01 - 55
    01-03 - 50
    03-05 - 51
    05-07 - 55
    07-09 - 49

    So I'm not sure what your point is. I am just saying the filibuster is an important speed bump and in the period you mentioned the Dems had it just as the Republicans do now.
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    You really think the reason the Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008 was because they didn't listen to the Democrats in Congress.

    That's a... uhh... novel view of events, to put it charitably.
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    It wasn't Brown or Coakely that caused this upset, it Was CONGRESS & OBAMA
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    Uh huh.

    Do the words "nuclear option" mean anything to you?
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    Sure. In what respect, though ? One of the options the Dems have now ? I don't think they can do it with reconciliation as that's only for budgetary issues and some of this falls outside that. I think the only nuclear option now is to have the House vote for the Senate bill then try to tweak parts through reconciliation. I doubt they do it though with the bills being unpopular. It would be a flip off directly to the people's desires.
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    That was certainly part of it........ The people generally don't like an unchecked Government. Republicans overreached a lot, on things that many Americans did not like. There was not enough bi-partisianship in the last administration, and the political air turned sour. That was absolutely part of the reason part of the reason that Dems gained a lot of traction.

    It wasn't there message. They campaigned largely on "we are not Bush".
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    And don't forget the guy who raped a 2 year old with a hot object and put her in the hospital for a month. Who Martha tried to protect because his father contributed to her campaign. Don't forget about that.
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    It's A Day Of Mourning For The Camelot Crowd

    It's Not Uncle Teddy's Seat Anymore
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    No.

    The point is this.

    Republicans have a tiny majority, threaten nuclear option to prevent Democratic filibusters.

    Democrats have the largest majority since 1923; each piece of substantive legislation requires 60 votes to pass.

    Are you starting to get the picture, here?

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