Is there something to the recent rise in "surprise" championship teams?

[PatsWickedPissah]

Freak power outage

Joker is onto something here!

 

[Kontradiction]

Freak power outage

Joker is onto something here!

Roger Goodell (seeing that the game was getting out of hand and panicking, even though he had already fixed it with the refs so that the Ravens won), ordered that all transformers in the area be zapped.

 

[Joker]

Complaining about pass interference throughout the playoffs doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense to target the Ravens (which is where my butthurt comment came from before... see how we're coming full circle now?). The referees made it clear from the start of Wild Card weekend that they weren't going to be as conservative with the pass interference/illegal contact type of calls. They did the same in 2011 as well. The offside on Ed Reed was a blown call, as was the miss of the holding at the end against Crabtree. But blown calls happen. They usually happen in the direction of the winning team. Fact is that Flacco lit the 49ers up well before that because they couldn't lay a finger on him. Another fact is that the 49ers were also mugging the Ravens' receivers down the field. All of this doesn't prove that the big, bad NFL fixed things with the refs so that Ray Ray could win a Super Bowl. Again, if the fix was in, the NFL would have put together a Super Bowl in which two offensive juggernauts played since statistics and studies show that, to the average fan, a high scoring game is more fun to watch than a low scoring game. Going in, that game had the potential to be a low scoring one and was well on it's way to a blowout prior to a freak power outage.

what a load of garbage...WTF are you talking about...SF was the defacto NFC rep by all media accounts starting the season, add in the exciting Kaepernik and you have ad account execs frothing at the mouth...what the Ravens did to the Pats has NOTHING to do with the Super Bowl...you're trying to blow smoke with this idiotic "no one wanted to see the Ravens"....jeezus krist, the entire media was all but kneeling in supplication the month leading up to the game talking about "Ray's Farewell"...and oh how fitting it would be that the greatest LB of the past decade wins the final game of his storied career..and then....GOES ON TO A SEAT IN THE ESPN STUDIO where he becomes a media star for the next ten years...it's all ******' money...HUGE money...not this idiotic "mob fix" red herring that ESPN threw out there right after the game ended and the rumblings began.

You can rationalize away not having ANY defensive penalties called on the Ravens even though the whole world saw the carnage. You can call a crucial "must be made" PI on Smith in the first half just "a missed one..they miss 'em here and there after all, Joker"...right except they missed EVERY freakin' call that should have been made in this game.

Who cares about fans who smell a rat....the billions upon billions lining the coffers of all those directly involved, The NFL, ESPN and NFLN and Madison Ave make it almost too easy..because YOU and fans like you, who comprise I would guess a good 90% of the viewing demographic, see this turd on the sidewalk and insist its pate de foie gras.

This is always the way it goes too...Watergate??..no way!! ENRON???..c'mon, you're crazy!! You can trust Don King! Ivan Boesky??..great guy, honest as the day is long...Bernie Madoff??..I'd give him my life savings again!! Barry Bonds on the juice???...that's a DAMN LIE,MAN!! Donaghy was just an anomaly!!! C'mon, NBA is pure as the driven snow!...

The answer lies in the future....as it always seems to work out...but what I saw 9 days ago stunk of rotten putrefaction.

 

[Kontradiction]

what a load of garbage...WTF are you talking about...SF was the defacto NFC rep by all media accounts starting the season,

Being in the NFC Championship the year before and losing the game because of two ill timed fumbles will do that to you. :bricks:

add in the exciting Kaepernik and you have ad account execs frothing at the mouth...what the Ravens did to the Pats has NOTHING to do with the Super Bowl...you're trying to blow smoke with this idiotic "no one wanted to see the Ravens"....

Dispute these facts please...

1. The Ravens have a small market fanbase that wasn't exactly known for travelling well.

2. The Ravens were more well known for defensive football going in.

3. Most people, outside of Ravens fans, were tired of watching Ray Lewis cry after winning games.

Facts are facts. The average fan likes offensive football more than defensive football. If the fix were in, they would have put two offensive first teams into the Super Bowl. Also, if the fix were in, the game would not have come down to one play at the end.

jeezus krist, the entire media was all but kneeling in supplication the month leading up to the game talking about "Ray's Farewell"...and oh how fitting it would be that the greatest LB of the past decade wins the final game of his storied career..and then....GOES ON TO A SEAT IN THE ESPN STUDIO where he becomes a media star for the next ten years...it's all ******' money...HUGE money...not this idiotic "mob fix" red herring that ESPN threw out there right after the game ended and the rumblings began.

How does the media worshipping at Ray Lewis' alter prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the game was rigged? Further, if the game was rigged prior to kickoff, why would the NFL have let it come down to the final play? And Wolfpack asked you this before, but all you did was blow a gasket so I'll ask you again: If you feel that the outcome was already predetermined, then why did you watch?

You can rationalize away not having ANY defensive penalties called on the Ravens even though the whole world saw the carnage. You can call a crucial "must be made" PI on Smith in the first half just "a missed one..they miss 'em here and there after all, Joker"...right except they missed EVERY freakin' call that should have been made in this game.

If that were the case, the Ravens wouldn't have been called for any penalties. But you're still butthurt over the fact that they beat the Pats that you can't see that. What beat the 49ers was the fact that they couldn't intercept Flacco and the fact that they got killed in TOP and kick return yards. Not the refs.

Who cares about fans who smell a rat....the billions upon billions lining the coffers of all those directly involved, The NFL, ESPN and NFLN and Madison Ave make it almost too easy..because YOU and fans like you, who comprise I would guess a good 90% of the viewing demographic, see this turd on the sidewalk and insist its pate de foie gras.

No, it's just that moonbat fans like you still haven't proven that the game is fixed. When approached with simple questions that they can't answer, they blow a gasket... much like you're doing here. U mad yet?

This is always the way it goes too...Watergate??..no way!! ENRON???..c'mon, you're crazy!! You can trust Don King! Ivan Boesky??..great guy, honest as the day is long...Bernie Madoff??..I'd give him my life savings again!! Barry Bonds on the juice???...that's a DAMN LIE,MAN!! Donaghy was just an anomaly!!! C'mon, NBA is pure as the driven snow!...

The answer lies in the future....as it always seems to work out...but what I saw 9 days ago stunk of rotten putrefaction.

Why would you watch a game with a predetermined outcome? Is it because you didn't think that the outcome was predetermined while you were watching it? I understand you were rooting agains the Ravens, butthurt because the Pats lost to them, and were hoping that there wasn't a conceivable way they could win. But they did, Joker. Flacco picked them apart.

 

[Wolfpack]

Not that Goodell would ever tell the truth, even to an FBI agent.

That being said, I firmly believe that the TV networks have far more influence than people believe. Ratings are directly related to billions of dollars in revenue, and I think there is collusion between the league and the networks to do whatever they can to pump up ratings.

I wonder if people like you realize that the powers-that-be at CBS were on hands and knees begging for the AFCCG to be Patriots-Broncos (i.e. Brady-Manning).

Whoops! That kinda detroys the motive for your whole conspiracy theory....

 

[Wolfpack]

One easy way to solve all this...petition Goodell to sit on live TV, like NFLN , and take a polygraph administered by any number of former FBI agents. Let's have the question asked in front of the whole country. Give him immunity, if that placates all the violently intense NFL lovers who insist the NFL is the only entity in the entire United States of America that is impervious to such corruption.

Is the NFL in collusion with other corporate entities to predetermine matchups and outcomes of NFL postseason games and especially the Super Bowl?

Yes or no.....one simple question asked directly on live TV...if he answers truthfully, while having immunity" we will finally have our answer.

You just really have no clue regarding how granting immunity works, do you? Certainly not the first thing you've demonstrated having no clue about, however.

 

[Wolfpack]

Being Pats fans, we tend to over estimate the popularity of our team. I know that in this part of Florida, heavily populated with graybeards from the northeast, the general consensus was, "ANYONE but the Pats." Aside from hating the Pats, people are just tired of them.

Yes, a lot of people hate the Pats - and that's why the Pats are such a great ratings draw. People are just as likely, if not moreso, to tune in to watch a team they hate and hope they lose as they would watch a team they like.

 

[AnwmdN27]

what a load of garbage...WTF are you talking about...SF was the defacto NFC rep by all media accounts starting the season, add in the exciting Kaepernik and you have ad account execs frothing at the mouth...what the Ravens did to the Pats has NOTHING to do with the Super Bowl...you're trying to blow smoke with this idiotic "no one wanted to see the Ravens"....jeezus krist, the entire media was all but kneeling in supplication the month leading up to the game talking about "Ray's Farewell"...and oh how fitting it would be that the greatest LB of the past decade wins the final game of his storied career..and then....GOES ON TO A SEAT IN THE ESPN STUDIO where he becomes a media star for the next ten years...it's all ******' money...HUGE money...not this idiotic "mob fix" red herring that ESPN threw out there right after the game ended and the rumblings began.

You can rationalize away not having ANY defensive penalties called on the Ravens even though the whole world saw the carnage. You can call a crucial "must be made" PI on Smith in the first half just "a missed one..they miss 'em here and there after all, Joker"...right except they missed EVERY freakin' call that should have been made in this game.

Who cares about fans who smell a rat....the billions upon billions lining the coffers of all those directly involved, The NFL, ESPN and NFLN and Madison Ave make it almost too easy..because YOU and fans like you, who comprise I would guess a good 90% of the viewing demographic, see this turd on the sidewalk and insist its pate de foie gras.

This is always the way it goes too...Watergate??..no way!! ENRON???..c'mon, you're crazy!! You can trust Don King! Ivan Boesky??..great guy, honest as the day is long...Bernie Madoff??..I'd give him my life savings again!! Barry Bonds on the juice???...that's a DAMN LIE,MAN!! Donaghy was just an anomaly!!! C'mon, NBA is pure as the driven snow!...

The answer lies in the future....as it always seems to work out...but what I saw 9 days ago stunk of rotten putrefaction.

I completely agree, this whole thing stinks of a conspiracy, honestly since theyve letting every team have a shot now to increase the ratings. Overlord GOODELL will do anything and everything to keep ppl watching! I noticed it firsrt when GOODELL start letting his buttboy Manning beat us in 2006.

 

[Claremonster]

If that were the case, I don't think they would have came up with Ravens vs. 49ers as the big game. It would have been Pats/Packers or something like that. By and large, most fans did not want to see a "HarBowl".

Maybe the Ravens owner sold his soul to the debbil for a ring?

 

[Claremonster]

Being in the NFC Championship the year before and losing the game because of two ill timed fumbles will do that to you. :bricks:



Dispute these facts please...

1. The Ravens have a small market fanbase that wasn't exactly known for travelling well.

2. The Ravens were more well known for defensive football going in.

3. Most people, outside of Ravens fans, were tired of watching Ray Lewis cry after winning games.

Facts are facts. The average fan likes offensive football more than defensive football. If the fix were in, they would have put two offensive first teams into the Super Bowl. Also, if the fix were in, the game would not have come down to one play at the end.



How does the media worshipping at Ray Lewis' alter prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the game was rigged? Further, if the game was rigged prior to kickoff, why would the NFL have let it come down to the final play? And Wolfpack asked you this before, but all you did was blow a gasket so I'll ask you again: If you feel that the outcome was already predetermined, then why did you watch?



If that were the case, the Ravens wouldn't have been called for any penalties. But you're still butthurt over the fact that they beat the Pats that you can't see that. What beat the 49ers was the fact that they couldn't intercept Flacco and the fact that they got killed in TOP and kick return yards. Not the refs.



No, it's just that moonbat fans like you still haven't proven that the game is fixed. When approached with simple questions that they can't answer, they blow a gasket... much like you're doing here. U mad yet?



Why would you watch a game with a predetermined outcome? Is it because you didn't think that the outcome was predetermined while you were watching it? I understand you were rooting agains the Ravens, butthurt because the Pats lost to them, and were hoping that there wasn't a conceivable way they could win. But they did, Joker. Flacco picked them apart.

The fans are secondary to the big money in gambling. The fans (in their eyes) don't count as much.

 

[Claremonster]

what a load of garbage...WTF are you talking about...SF was the defacto NFC rep by all media accounts starting the season, add in the exciting Kaepernik and you have ad account execs frothing at the mouth...what the Ravens did to the Pats has NOTHING to do with the Super Bowl...you're trying to blow smoke with this idiotic "no one wanted to see the Ravens"....jeezus krist, the entire media was all but kneeling in supplication the month leading up to the game talking about "Ray's Farewell"...and oh how fitting it would be that the greatest LB of the past decade wins the final game of his storied career..and then....GOES ON TO A SEAT IN THE ESPN STUDIO where he becomes a media star for the next ten years...it's all ******' money...HUGE money...not this idiotic "mob fix" red herring that ESPN threw out there right after the game ended and the rumblings began.

You can rationalize away not having ANY defensive penalties called on the Ravens even though the whole world saw the carnage. You can call a crucial "must be made" PI on Smith in the first half just "a missed one..they miss 'em here and there after all, Joker"...right except they missed EVERY freakin' call that should have been made in this game.

Who cares about fans who smell a rat....the billions upon billions lining the coffers of all those directly involved, The NFL, ESPN and NFLN and Madison Ave make it almost too easy..because YOU and fans like you, who comprise I would guess a good 90% of the viewing demographic, see this turd on the sidewalk and insist its pate de foie gras.

This is always the way it goes too...Watergate??..no way!! ENRON???..c'mon, you're crazy!! You can trust Don King! Ivan Boesky??..great guy, honest as the day is long...Bernie Madoff??..I'd give him my life savings again!! Barry Bonds on the juice???...that's a DAMN LIE,MAN!! Donaghy was just an anomaly!!! C'mon, NBA is pure as the driven snow!...

The answer lies in the future....as it always seems to work out...but what I saw 9 days ago stunk of rotten putrefaction.

It was the mob akshully...and not the Italian either.

 

[Raymond]

what a load of garbage...WTF are you talking about...SF was the defacto NFC rep by all media accounts starting ..................This is always the way it goes too...Watergate??..no way!! ENRON???..c'mon, you're crazy!! You can trust Don King....

Joe,

I have to say, you have gone off the deep end here.

 

[Wolfpack]

The fans are secondary to the big money in gambling. The fans (in their eyes) don't count as much.

Just out of curiousity, how does the NFL gain from all that gambling (beyond the obvous fact that someone who bets on a game is more likely to watch that game)..? Does the league own some casinos I don't know about?







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[GrassyKneel]

Questions for Joker or anyone else who believes in the vast conspiracy:

1) If the whole system is rigged, then would you agree that the Pats 3 Super Bowls in the Brady/BB era are valueless and meaningless (as are all Super Bowl victories) since they were simply the teams that the conspirators chose to be the winners those years? Would you agree that this fanbase has nothing to be proud of since the outcomes are predetermined?

2) If all of this conspiracy theory stuff is true, and the NFL is rigging games and fixing outcomes, then why is it that Peyton Manning, who many if not most here would consider the darling of the NFL, has one of the worst playoff records of any of elite quarterback ever? Why would the grand conspiracy conspire to make its media darling go one and done so often?

3) Wouldn't Peyton Manning coming back from a year off and a potentially career ending injury and winning his second Super Bowl in his hometown of New Orleans have been a much bigger story? Why did the NFL not conspire to make that happen?

4) Do you think its unreasonable to say that last year when both Baltimore and San Francisco were inches away from making the Super Bowl, that someone decided it might be a good idea to register the Harbowl trademark just in case? When you have teams of lawyers who can register a trademark as easily as they breathe, do you think its unreasonable that seeing the league get that close to a Harbowl might have tipped them off that they should grab it up?

5) Was there any combination of teams making the playoffs or winning the Super Bowl (aside of course from a Pats win) that wouldn't have resulted in your wild conspiracy theories?

 

[Kontradiction]

Questions for Joker or anyone else who believes in the vast conspiracy:

1) If the whole system is rigged, then would you agree that the Pats 3 Super Bowls in the Brady/BB era are valueless and meaningless (as are all Super Bowl victories) since they were simply the teams that the conspirators chose to be the winners those years? Would you agree that this fanbase has nothing to be proud of since the outcomes are predetermined?

2) If all of this conspiracy theory stuff is true, and the NFL is rigging games and fixing outcomes, then why is it that Peyton Manning, who many if not most here would consider the darling of the NFL, has one of the worst playoff records of any of elite quarterback ever? Why would the grand conspiracy conspire to make its media darling go one and done so often?

3) Wouldn't Peyton Manning coming back from a year off and a potentially career ending injury and winning his second Super Bowl in his hometown of New Orleans have been a much bigger story? Why did the NFL not conspire to make that happen?

4) Do you think its unreasonable to say that last year when both Baltimore and San Francisco were inches away from making the Super Bowl, that someone decided it might be a good idea to register the Harbowl trademark just in case? When you have teams of lawyers who can register a trademark as easily as they breathe, do you think its unreasonable that seeing the league get that close to a Harbowl might have tipped them off that they should grab it up?

5) Was there any combination of teams making the playoffs or winning the Super Bowl (aside of course from a Pats win) that wouldn't have resulted in your wild conspiracy theories?

*thread falls to page 2, falls off map*

 

[olschool]

I wonder if people like you realize that the powers-that-be at CBS were on hands and knees begging for the AFCCG to be Patriots-Broncos (i.e. Brady-Manning).

Whoops! That kinda detroys the motive for your whole conspiracy theory....

Wrong. The sports bar I go to is predominantly Pats fans, but with a large mix of fans from other northern teams. Just generally speaking, a lot of the fans without a vested interest in the Pats, and not particularly Brady haters,said they were tired of the Pats, and wanted some new teams. Virtually nobody thought that Manning would be there. Most of them loved the matchup and enjoyed the game.

The networks are businessmen first, and fans second, if they are fans at all. They see the whole thing as showbiz and could care less about which team wins it, as long as they get good ratings with the teams that make it.

If I was a betting man, I'd be willing to bet that Brady won't win his fourth until the year he announces his retirement.

 

[Wolfpack]

Wrong. The sports bar I go to is predominantly Pats fans, but with a large mix of fans from other northern teams. Just generally speaking, a lot of the fans without a vested interest in the Pats, and not particularly Brady haters,said they were tired of the Pats, and wanted some new teams. Virtually nobody thought that Manning would be there. Most of them loved the matchup and enjoyed the game.

The above paragraph shows you really have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about.

1) CBS wanted NE-Denver in the AFCCG. Brady-Manning would have been a top draw. They were very disappointed when Baltimore won.

2) What the heck do you mean "virtually nobody thought Manning would be there"? Denver was a heavy favorite going into that game. If anything, virtually nobody thought Baltimore would make it. Srsly, what color is the sky on your world?

The networks are businessmen first, and fans second, if they are fans at all. They see the whole thing as showbiz

No foolin'. And that's why they wanted Denver-NE.

The conspiracy theorists in here are too ignorant to realize that the fact that Baltimore beat Denver and then beat New England is evidence that the league does not rig outcomes for the sake of better ratings. If these games were rigged, Baltimore never gets past Denver, period, end of story.

 

[olschool]

The above paragraph shows you really have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about.

1) CBS wanted NE-Denver in the AFCCG. Brady-Manning would have been a top draw. They were very disappointed when Baltimore won.

2) What the heck do you mean "virtually nobody thought Manning would be there"? Denver was a heavy favorite going into that game. If anything, virtually nobody thought Baltimore would make it. Srsly, what color is the sky on your world?
No foolin'. And that's why they wanted Denver-NE.

The conspiracy theorists in here are too ignorant to realize that the fact that Baltimore beat Denver and then beat New England is evidence that the league does not rig outcomes for the sake of better ratings. If these games were rigged, Baltimore never gets past Denver, period, end of story.

What I'm trying to say is that CBS doesn't care about the line out of Vegas. All they care about is ratings. They would have been happy with Pats-Atlanta, just as they were happy with Ravens-49ers. Probably the last thing they wanted was Seahawks-Bengals.

And, a lot of people thought the Ravens would make it. Of course nobody in New England would ever think the Ravens could do it, but the Lewis parade could not be rained on.

Just like the phantom Roethlisberger touchdown against Seattle made it possible for Bettis to get a ring before he retired.

That's showbiz !