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    Will all of the mention of why we were passing the ball so much and whats going on with our OC, thought this might be cool to post.

    Full article here: NFL.com news: Passing game is changing football, but may not be for better
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    2003 Patriots were the ember that started this fire ..:cool:
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    99-00 Rams say hello.

    It's not just the Patriots. I think BB recognized this, and changed the team to be more competitive via the air game.

    I agree with the gist of the article. The more the NFL becomes like Madden, the less likely I am to stay a hardcore fan.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    There aren't any GREAT defenses in the league this year

    There are some good defenses like Houston and Baltimore,There are decent defenses and there are mediocre and poor defenses as well.

    That may be a good reason why passing is such a popular thing these days

    When Mark Sanchez throws for nearly 400 yards...times have changed
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    The running game will cycle it's way back in one day. There will be a team that designs a run offense that teams will not be able to stop that controls the clock effectively and teams will try to emulate this.

    Passing games are premium now but the problem is there are not too many teams that have defenses that are equipped to stop it. This is the main problem right now and I'm not sure if it the new safety rules or just the total evolution of the offenses. Take a look around, As of week 4, I haven't seen one defense that is elite in the NFL.

    In baseball people we're in love with the Home run. In football, people have always been enamored with the deep ball. We saw what happened in 98 when 50 homeruns was becoming the standard for the great players in the league. The sport became stale. Is football heading down that road if the deep ball becomes the norm every other play?

    4000 yards is becoming more frequent among QB's and someday soon we may have 4 QB's that throw for 5000 in the same season. 300 yard passing days were considered a very good day for a QB, they too are now becoming standard. Ofcourse are boy TFB sets the bar higher with closer to 400 yard pg avg.

    I don't know, got see how the defenses evolve before I claim this is a bad thing.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    Uh, this is football and their is nothing new under the football sun. Right now it looks like the pass is the new and dominant thing but it isn't. Anybody ever heard of "Air Coryell and Dan Fouts? Yeah that looked good for a while till defenses caught up. Great numbers but they never won a championship.


    Then there was Jerry Glanville and the ole run & shoot, lord save me.


    The run will be important for cold weather teams and those teams will need, and will go to the run come winter. I note that the Raiders are running their way to victory. It's football, there is no one thing on offense, it only seems that way right now when the weather is calm.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    That was also back in the day when they didn't constantly tweak the rules every year, taking away more and more D every year. At this point, the rules emphasis' and changes are taking place too fast for the game to catch up, so the offenses are ruling the roost.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    If the NFL didn't change it wouldn't be as popular as it is today.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    The bills of the 90's kelleys Kgun offense and the west coast offense of the 80's were both products of that system i believe. correct me if Im wrong and yes agreed this has been around for years. there just wasn't as many teams doing it, now it's almost every team.

    the rule changes are making it easier to exploit, I see flags flying every other passing play. The fines must have a psychological effect, making players more timid and 2nd guessing each hit. just a theory.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    Bingo. We have Bingo.

    I disagree with the 99 rams or 03 patriots thoughts.

    you can trace the changes back to Polian trying to game the system for his qb/team at the expense of the entire league.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    When watching a game now, any time a defender gets near the QB, or the ball goes downfield more than 15 yards or so, I find myself holding my breath waiting for the flag to come out. I don't enjoy that - I'd rather watch football than watch the refs huddle after every exciting play.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    Nah. It started at least when Bill Walsh introduced the West Coast Offense in the 1980's and arguably could be traced to the first time the QB was used for something besides blocking and moved under center in the 1930's or maybe when Sid Luckman perfected the old T-Formation for Papa Bear. I'd argue that the game has been heading in this direction for a long time.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    It's entertainment, not a sport. The eye in the sky can change a call anytime they want. If Roger senses a demographic is losing interest....boom...play under review....change of possession. It's Rollerball baby. Get your parking pass, your foam finger, your $12 beer and pull up a seat. And there will be intermissions every 5 minutes for your comfort
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    They've gotten so soft these days with this.

    That "so-called" late hit on Fitz last week was BS. I couldn't believe they actually threw a flag for that.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    No it won't. Tons of passes, passing yards and scoring is more exciting than 3 yards and a cloud of dust. We've seen several rule changes over the past decade meant to emphasize the passing game. If the running game ever start making a big return league-wide, the league will just change the rules some more to get everyone back to passing.
    The one team who actually had some recent success with the, the NY Jets, have already abandoned their own philosophy. And nobody really seems intent on trying to replicate it.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    I blame the NFL Competition Committee for this. Machiavellian Polian used his influence and a cadre of Pats hating representatives to have Tool-In-Chief Goodell place undue emphasis on the no breathing on a wideout past 5 yards rule. Rescind this "emphasis" and defenses will rebound. Also "emphasize" that there's no PI where the ball is un-catchable.

    I have no problem with the player health rules eliminating head hunting by safetys on defensless receivers.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    Its true about the Jets though, they've seemed to stray away from Rexy's famous "ground and pound" techniques that he liked so much previously.

    They have Sanchez attempting 4th down and 2's.... which usually spells disaster.

    After the first couple series of the Pats/Bills game, I wondered where the hell was BJGE.
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    2nd that I cringe when the defense is on the field, flag flurries and whistles. listening to michael vick moan about officiating at his press conference the other day made me ill, he wants to run around the field like barry sanders and be protected at the same time. delusional!!!
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    You're suggesting that the NFL mandate indoor stadiums for every team north of the 38th parallel, to help complete the game's transformation into basketball on turf? :cool:
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    Re: Is the passing game is changing football ?

    If you were to factor in all the possible outcomes when dropping back to pass - yards gained on a completion, yards gained on a penalty against the defense (pass interference, holding, roughing the passer, etc.) as well as zero yards for an incompletion, negative yards for sacks and hold by the offensive line, etc. - as well as whatever negative yards you want to assign to a pick (40, 50 yards?), I am guessing that the net average yards per passing play would be so much more than the net average yards per running play that it's now wonder teams pass as often as they do.

    In fact, it may be a wonder that they don't pass even more often than they already do.
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    I actually wonder sometimes why coaches are not drafting 6ft 4" wide receivers from college with solid speed and retraining them as CB's and safeties. Good post, passing is completely out off hand.

    I think two things, the decline of running is due to RB's being the most physically beat up guys on the the field. They don't last because they consistently get hit by 200-300 lbs guys and are not protected by the rules. While WR and OB's enjoy the the rules to protect their knees, head or dirty play RB's still are not watched very well and take the worst hits. Id love to see a comparison of RB concussions to QB's.
    I remember getting up from making a good run with the ball, and used to not breathing because the wind was knocked out of me so many times in a game, and I remember being on the pile of many runs, where the DT or LB put their full weight on my knee or chest when they stood up because they were pissed off. They never call it.
    Not sure how to protect them better. But until they find a way many won't last long or have really bad lives after they retire.

    Id like to see running come back in the game, but most teams want a scat back and not a Full back to clear for the run, and most know even if you do get a great runner, and like QB running is an art form ,,, you either have the vision or you don't,,, the guys only going to be good for 3-5 years.

    I miss the days of Berry Sanders, and Walter Payton. I think both those guys could still be great even now on any team.
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    80's and early 90's era you had DL who were 250-290 range, guys like White, Jerome Brown, John Randle, Leonard Marshall, Dent, Hampton, McMichael, Bruce Smith etc . Heck, guy like Fred Dean played DE @ 230 lbs ! Today, you have safeties like Laron Landry and WR's like Calvin Johnson playing at 230 !

    Look at last 15 years and DT are behemoth 300-350 lbs guys, more athletic. A typical RB today is giving up 100-150 lbs going up against DT's. There's just no way they can sustain the pounding given the speed and impact of the sport today. Even a RB like LeCryBaby Tomlinson was done in 7 years tops

    Rules today are built to showcase points and skill players - QB, WR. It's funny that NFL has transformed itself into the style of play of the very owner it has despised the longest, Al Davis.

    The days of RB being an elite position is over. Teams do not value it and focus on quantity over quality at te position. Athletes do not want to play it since the lifecycle of a RB is 3-5 years at most. The skilled players are playing WR, TE, DB, DE, LB positions in college. Even the college game has shifted to Pass attack with spread offenses that Urban Meyer et al started 10 years plus ago. When was the last time we saw a top 10 ranked college team playing Option or be strictly run focused.
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