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Is Terrell Suggs Worth The #7 Pick?

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  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. maybe

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  1. Terry Glenn is a cowgirl

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    He is a balls out player that would def. be a great pick up.

    He could fit in the Pats 3-4 pretty well.

    Why not?

    The Ravens probably want more than just a first round pick...

    Any thoughts?
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    I don't think we can pay him. Nice player though.
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    No because I absolutely hate the way he plays... non-stop mouth talking trash and complaining about calls endlessly. I also seriously question whether he has the intelligence to play in this scheme.
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    How can anyone say no (besides the poster above me)? At his position, age, and ability all factored in the Ravens would laugh if you guys offered that.
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  5. Terry Glenn is a cowgirl

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    You are a Jets fan. This is all that I need to know about your intelligence...
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    Disable Jersey

    No mere mortal is worth the #7
  7. mangenious

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    Yea that makes plenty of sense, b/c obviously the standing of of my football team is indicative of my intelligence level:rolleyes:. You would not trade 7 for Suggs possible?
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    I think - big surprise - people here are being really naive. The Patriots would trade the #7 overall for Suggs IN A HEARTBEAT. It's just that the Ravens wouldn't.
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    I think you're being naive. If they can't come to an agreement (with all signs pointing to that, and he's even filed a grievance)... then they would certainly look hard at dealing him.
  10. Terry Glenn is a cowgirl

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    That is why I said that the Ravens probably want more than the #7.

    He might act like a kid, but, he can def. play.

    AD could mentor him some... they used to be teammates.
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    Just rekindling the Pats VS Jets romance aversion romance relationship... lol.:D
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    There is one way. If Ryan falls to #7 (The Ravens are #8). You have the Bears for sure, perhaps the Vikings and even the Falcons with enough choices to jump back in. Now business is open for BB. I say he'll dangle Ryan. The Ravens don't know how they are gonna pay Suggs anyway.They save CAP money by giving us Suggs for a #7, taking maybe Clady to take Ogdens place (cheaper slot than a QB) and then at #8 finally take Ryan to save more money. My issue is we have to do a "ballet with the books" to get Suggs under our CAP stuff although the remainder we have from our bargain basement raid has been dented negligible.
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    Once again though, how do we pay Suggs? We just don't have the room.
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    he did have 24 sacks during his junior year of college.
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    Was Suggs the guy who threw the penalty flag into the stands against the Pats?
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    Im pretty sure that was Bart Scott.

    As far as the topic goes hell yes Suggs is worth the #7 pick. Fitting everything under the cap is the problem.
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    There is plenty of room under the cap for Suggs. All it takes is a Brady or Seymour or whoever restructure. If Suggs was available I'm sure it wouldn't take Pioli more than a few minutes to figure out how to make the money available for him.
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    Yes, because the Pats don't have anyone that talks trash. Just ask Wilfork or Harrison.

    And what is this about people questioning whether people have the intelligence to play in our schemes? First of all, these guys have been playing football since they were 5, they can figure out defensive schemes. And although we have a bit of a complicated defense, it's not like the Pats have this amazing defense that only certain players in the NFL can understand. You, and others, make it sound like you need to speak Chinese to play in our system or we don't want you.
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    Ok, thats cool no offense taken:)
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    Suggs had his best years playing OLB in a 3-4 for the Ravens. He was dominant at that position. I would be very happy if the Pats traded the 7th pick for him because he is young and plays at a top of the draft talent level. His contract wouldn't even be all that much more than what we would have to pay the seventh pick. Yes, it would be more, but when you weight the risks factors of paying an unproven rookie, it definitely offsets the cost.

    As for Suggs' trash talking, we shouldn't kid ourselves. We have/had a lot of players on this team that trash talk and do the same thing. Guys like Harrison, Vrabel, Colvin, and Hobbs have had their own trash talking incidents or at least have been caught on camera trash talking (or doing things like the Lights out Dance). A large number of defenders around the league trash talk. We have even seen Patriots players get into with the refs on calls too.
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    Rob the fact that you can at least admit that makes you one of my favorite posters on this board.
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    Thanks. I don't know if being a favorite of a Jets fan is a good thing or not though. :D

    Who am I kidding? My overinflated ego and sense of self worth allows me to eat up any compliment whereever they come from.
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    lol,:p back to the point you made, every team has someone who is an a##hole and who may take cheap shots. When you have a guy like Suggs who is that young and that talented you look over those flaws. Suggs is not a Pacman Jones. I would never take Pacman ever jsut b/c I could never root for a clown like that
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    I have no idea if the Pats are even interested in Suggs (I would have to think that they at least looked at the possibility though).

    The Pats are going to have to shell out money for the rookies anyways... so, that is the least of their problems.
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    I think most Patriots fans realize members of the team, and every team in the league trash talk. It's simply become part of the game. Now, some teams have bigger a**holes than others, but that's for another convo.

    Oh, and let's not forget Bryan Cox...

    Back to this trade idea:

    You would have to talk the Ravens into trading their franchise player away, when they would receive two first rounders as comp, if you were to sign him to an offer sheet. Obviously the Patriots would never give up two first rounders for Suggs (especially if one is the 7th overall pick), but I could possibly see NE wanting him for the 7th overall pick. The problem then becomes the contract in which you sign him to. From everything I've seen, he's not entirely interested in taking a discount to play for a winner, and believes he should receive a fairly substantial contract. So, the combination of giving up the seventh overall pick, and having to sign him to a large contract might be more than NE would be willing to give up.

    Also, his contract wouldn't be all that similar to the player actually selected at 7th overall, as the initial cap hit would likely be far more substantial, and knowing Suggs, the full contract would be even richer, as well.
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    I disagree 100%, and actually think your viewpoint is the naive one.
    Suggs is a better player than you would expect you get at #7. In that vein, of course they would.
    But you are missing an important part of the equation.
    We would need to pay Suggs, and he will want 10mill a year.

    If Suggs were released and a free agent, would you sign him for 10 mill a year. (Remember the Jets gave Pace 7 mill a year just on the hope that maybe he will be a lot better than he has been his whole career).
    Do you think the Pats, with Vrabel and Thomas already at the position, would spend 10 mill a year on Suggs? Thats crazy to me.
    Then for the right to pay him all that money, you have to hand over your #7 pick.

    This wouldn't happen in a million years, and in fact, the Pats wouldn't do it for ANY compensation, because they wouldn't sign him off the open market for no compensation if they had to pay him that kind of money.
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    Yeah, if anything... the Pats want players like Moss, and Dillon to trade for.

    Good players that are sick of their current team.
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    But more importantly, do not cost $10mill a year
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    I think you misread my post. My point is that the Ravens wouldn't do it. I agree with you that the Patriots would have some $$$ issues, but I think even WITH Vrabel and AD, the Pats would find a way to make it work - like, say, moving Thomas back inside.
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