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  1. PatriotsReign

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    I've been debating someone over on ColtFreaks regarding video taping signals. I've been claiming taping signals is within the rules from certain locations because I read that here countless times.

    Then the person I'm debating showed me the following quote (with no links):

    "But the following week Anderson issued a memo to all teams reminding them of the policy prohibiting the videotaping of coaching signals anywhere in the stadium."

    Is this true? I could use a little help on this from my peers here. I know I'm wasting my time debating on another board, but I'm a stubborn Irishman:mad:
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    I haven't heard that version. I thought the memo said no videotaping of signals from video equip. from areas accessible to the coaches.
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    No surprise that a Colt fan has his head up his ass:

    "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

    Then feel free to bring up how Mangini admitted to taping every game from the end zones, but the league said that's okay because he got permission. When the Colt fan has a blank look on his face for ten seconds or so, let him off the hook by saying, "You may or may not know that end zones are in the stadium and accessible to club staff. So, the memo kind of makes no sense, and it's definitely open to interpretation, as the league's actions in two separate cases show."
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    In the recent ESPN Fish article Greg Aiello says the following:

    "The rule which the Patriots violated was the policy that prohibits use of equipment for the taping of offensive or defense signals. "


    I like the rule/policy thing. Which is it?

    I don't know what Aiello is specifically referring to. I would have thought the NFL would have released such a policy document.
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    anyone can sit in the stands and tape the signals. who'd know ?
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    Actually "anyone" cannot. Videocameras are not allowed in Gillette for example. Security WILL stop you or me.
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    That is the memo not the rule.

    http://thesportslawprofessor.blogspot.com/2007/09/bill-belichicks-interpretation.html

    Oh, even ESPN and Clayton think it is OK to steal signals if it is the Patriots.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227l
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    So they will confiscate your phone?:rolleyes:

    Heck, remember dance gate with the Chargers two years ago. The evidence that it was one guy, not a bunch, was a fan video on you tube. Gillette's rules obviously don't apply to SD.
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    boy, we took a video camera into qualcomm a few years back and no one said a peep. of course it was small and in my jacket. is that a blanket security thing or does it vary by stadium ?
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    The NFL manual - even following their clarification in 2006 - makes clear that taping signals is only prohibited from an on-field location.

    They go on to specifiy where and how taping is allowed in the manual (see http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=82402)

    So if anyone asserts that taping signals is NOT ok, they have an argument with the NFL, not with Patriots fans, as the Commissioner's office effectively encourages by specifying exactly how and when it is allowed.

    Pre-2006, the rule could have been interpreted to be even more liberal, just as long as no one used the tapes obtained during the game for that game. Again, by clarifying the rule the NFL admitted it was not clear, and thus, it is difficult if not impossible to fault a team for reading the rule liberally.

    Even post 2006, when the Dolphins were caught using a "purchased" tape of Brady's audibles to give themselves an advantage, the NFL refused to even launch an inquiry, stating "that's football".

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227
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    It's such a non-issue I think they should just allow it outright.
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    It is very good

    The NFL allowed and still allows teams to record on the sideling but not for coaching. The Jets had a media man (Jets employee) filing at the game so much for the argument that recording is simply disallowed by the rule. It is simply not true. BB took the rule to mean that you could record if you didn’t use it in that game. After reading the rules it is not nearly as cut and dry as some would say and BB interpretation is reasonable if aggressive.
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    I need your help with a little something too guys. I would start my own thread but I dont have enough posts to do so. I've been arguing with a guy I work with about this cameragate thing since it started. Now that Walsh turned the tapes over he says that there still is a walkthrough tape but Goodell wont reveal it for the good of the league. Blah Blah Blah.... I know. This is where I need your help. He is a Big Dolphins fan and I read here that some other teams got caught doing some illegal stuff too. I've looking for it not only here but on the internet too but I cant come up with anything. I dont remember what it was exactly but i know it was the Broncos, 49ers, Steelers (70's I think) and the Dolphins. I told him this but he said he never heard of anything like that and that I had no proof where as there was plenty of proof against the Pats. If anyone know where I could find this or if they know what it is that the Dolphins got busted for I would really appreciated. I really want to shut this guy up. :mad:

    P.S. Once again I'm sorry for not starting my own thread. Thanks.
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    Until I see a rule pre 2006 , I dont think there was..

    Its called scouting, what is the difference of having film in the end zone , sideline or the stands.. Its to frustrating to aruge...

    I more mad at myself for letting this get to me in feb.... The more you think about it, the more ridicoulous this is...
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    it is not illegal to tape signals.

    period.

    please, someone in the media read the rule BEFORE writing your column.

    had they done it from the press box instead of the sideline it would've been sanctioned....and no different from what 30 other teams are doing (yes, especially Tony Dungy's team for chrissake, freaking sanctimonious hypocrite).

    this deserved a private ***** slap and nothing more. but the rest of the country took the Pats initial vow of silence (BB's worst mistake of all) as a battle cry and now they wonder why the party has to end so soon.

    yet I continue to read reports today (king, palantonio, florio, fish, etc....) that continue to illustrate the amazing ignorance out there.

    michael rosenberg wrote a great editorial except for one thing....his premise was entirely wrong.

    these are smart well educated people -- they don't actually need months to understand the specific rules violation (i.e. NOT "taping signals").

    There's a reason the league left a loophole for video to be used in future games.....because it was and continues to be a widespread practice, and has been since the days of george allen. Goodell runs a business...he's pandering to the millions of Pats haters out there....hard to blame him, but sad he had to propagate the pissing contest.

    In five years we'll look back on this not as a case of "cheating" or dark espionage or conspiracy theories (Sal wants to know if Bill was "afraid" of being caught....HE DID IT ON THE SIDELINE!!! are you kidding me....the whole point was to create distractions and paranoia....EVERYONE knew they did it), or how ernie adams was way more than an instant replay analyst and FoB....

    We'll see it as a public relations case, and a dramatic illustration of what happens when there are as many journalists as there are players....all shouting to be heard.

    the story will end when it becomes hip and provocative to point the finger where it rightfully belongs.....at the haters (see: Wilbon).

    the honeymoon for this team ended long ago, the media has been desperate for any dirt whatsoever....I guess I'm not that surprised anymore.

    Bottom line is we've never seen a team win this much over this long a stretch....not the bears in the 40s, or the Packers of the 30s/60s, browns of the 50s, and certainly not any team since. And given that it's the parity era (where teams go to the super bowl and are never heard from again), writers like Peter King CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE SUCCESS....so they hear videotape and start connecting dots....cheating, spying, etc....

    it's real simple: the team is managed by an individual who is ruthlessly committed to maintaining an economically sustainable personnel model year in and year out (fans, media, ownership and loveable veterans be damned), and who is one of the brightest football minds (on both sides of the ball) the league has ever seen....and even more importantly, who also happened to steal the greatest draft coup in history, in an era when the differences at the QB position almost singlehandedly delineate league ranks.

    same old boring story for years now -- no wizard behind the curtain, no rain man in the booth.

    great coach, great QB.

    sorry.

    ...or rather, suck it.
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    Im really still trying to figure out 2 things


    1 Why does the leauge care about tapes that were done 8 yrs ago, and had no bearing on games, not to mention where was it Illiegal...

    2 Can someone show me a rule that another team could not use tape for scouting purpose's.....


    I mean if we want to split hairs, lets go back 30 yrs, and clean out the oakland collusium, to see if there were cameras in locker rooms, I mean these pats haters need to go away and fast...

    I guess Arlen Spitzor, still has a 8 track and a turntable, and has not evolved with technology....
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    oh and one last thing, bill knows the freaking rules....he doesn't "misinterpret" them, he stretches them as far as they can go, and does so brazenly, confidently and, yes, even arrogantly.

    he'll use the letter of the rules, to violate the spirit of the rules.

    that's not a crime, that's survival.

    but he's not a loser and he doesn't want to be a darling like dick vermeil....so if he continues to win and be hated, he'll have to learn to throw water on future fires before they blaze out of control....he likes to compartmentalize PR as something beyond his control, or peripheral to winning football games, or something stacey does.....a quick clear one-liner about the position of the camera -- in the early stages of this ****show -- followed by a stern warning that he'd continue to tape from a different position against san diego -- would've set everyone straight. bill was afraid the media would misconstrue a defensive posture as a sign of guilt....instead of trying to shape perception they became victims of it.

    too bad BB was never as good at soundbytes as parcells....
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    Very well said... Exactly what was on my mind but I could not have said it better myself. Go Pats!!! And **** all the haters!
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