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  1. TommyBrady12

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    I heard on sports center that Rex Ryan has been heavily questioning O'Connell about the pats. The question is, what can the pats do about it?
     
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    These days half the games you'll have a former player on the other team. I highly doubt O'Connell knows much more than Ryan himself knows, to be honest.
     
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    I was thinkng the same thing when I heard he went to the Jets..
     
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    Heavily? I saw the clip of Ryan speaking and didn't hear "heavily." He did what BB and every other coach in the league would do. Question the player and learn little that isn't on film for all to see.

    What can the Pats do? Change thier audibles which they should do anyway, as there are about a dozen players they cut that are now on other teams.

    Any team that doesn't change audibles after cut-down day deserves to be blitzed into oblivion.

    Other than that, what can KOC say? That Moss is fast and Welker is quick? That Light has touble with speed rushers? Than BB goes for it a lot on fourht down on the opponent's side of the field?
     
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    I think Brady put it best when he said yesterday:

    “But at the end of the day, it comes down to how well you can execute. Having some inside information . . . you’ve still got to throw the ball, complete it, and block. I think that’s more important than anything.’’
     
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    This is the reason why the hoopla about "spygate" is beyond insane.

    An opposing team can bring in a guy who knows every play, signal, count, etc. that the team runs, yet it's illegal to videotape something that is in plain view of 60,000 people. What a joke.

    Frankly, if the NFL were really serious about the "spygate" type stuff, there should be confidentiality agreements and non-disclosures like there is in other types of business.
     
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    Every team does this. We've done it ourselves.
     
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    I don't know if O'Connell is the guy to interrogate. Given his preseason execution, he, himself, doesn't have much of a grasp of the patriots' offense.
     
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    Sure he is.

    There's probably 500 plays in Brady's and Obrian's book - If O'Connell can properly convey all those options and then the Jets can execute and stop TFB, so be it. I don't think that's possible. Your talking about Brady and Moss.

    I would be more concerned about our defense then a guy we cut in favor of a 7th round QB.
     
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    that's a very good point. i sign confidentiality agreements all the time and i am bound by them. why not just make players do the same? after all, most of them are at least as highly paid as any contractor or employee who signs one in business.

    of course, people will argue back that there is no way of enforcing this in football. well, much of what is transferable in a business setting is "soft" information and there is no way of policing the informal transfer of such information after an employee leaves a company if it is done carefully (not talking about the wholesale theft of something like software code).

    the point of the agreement is to make people think twice about violating it and then to have real consequences if they get caught doing so. in the case of the NFL, it lends credibility to the "no taping" and other restrictions that are already in place.
     
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    In his press conference yesterday, Belichick downplayed any influence a former player could have on a game. Out of the hundreds of plays available, even if the playbook was available to an opponent, there is no way to know which play is going to be called. Every play has multiple options from the same formation, so it really is just a guessing game. The hard part is guessing right.

    Plus, tendencies and performance of coaches and players are available on film anyway. If a coach isn't smart enough to change things up, week to week, then he deserves to lose, and Belichick doesn't do much of that.
     
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    Exactly, I agree completely. It's like speed limits, you can't enforce them more than .00001% of the time, but it's enough to keep the roads a little safer.
     
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    O'Connell left about 10 days prior to the season, the Jets and Pats had not opened at that time.. in this period many things have changed, and the game plan is specific for the Jets... doubt O'Connell can contribute much more than Ryan already knows..
     
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    LOL

    KOC could definitely tell them about some wrinkles. Bill knows what those are and will adapt/adjust them accordingly. Had we swiped someone from Miami's cutdown list last season we might have had an inkling about the mere existence of the wildcat but that still doesn't mean we stop it because BB wouldn't have spent sufficient time on it until he knew it was in play. Of course there is the possibility that Rex will which would further tickle BB.

    KOC didn't spend much time with the Brady led offense given the events of last season, and he didn't spend much time with the new look defense since it's emerging. And given the fact that he was apparently as blindsided by his dismissal as Seymour was by his trade, I doubt critical observation was one of his stonger suits.
     
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    O'Connell: Game MVP

    The new Jets QB killed the Pats...and I don't mean Sanchez. Two pieces of knowledge that I believe set the tone for the Jets D success. First, who would know better about the extent of Brady's mobility and how BB would disguise Brady's weaknesses? Second, who would lay out on a platter Brady's line calls, tendencies, and thought process?....and as a result of this knowledge, force the offense to retool the signals and the process. Given the difficulties Brady and the O had at the LOS, I'd say the O'Connell was a major factor.
     
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    Re: O'Connell: Game MVP

    O'Connell could not even learn the plays when he was the pats QB so I am not sure that was the problem.
     
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    Re: O'Connell.....game MVP

    I think O'Connell gave the Jets more info than what everyone seems to think.

    Thinking about it last night, the Jets seemed to know every check Brady made at the line. I remember before the last drive they showed Brady putting in a sheet of plays on his wrist, don't know if it was new but it sure seemed that way.

    The lack of a offensive coordinator is really hurting this team. Patriots made no offensive adjustments at the half and that is very odd for this team.

    O'Connell was a major part in the Jets win. Was the Jets Defense good yes, but with knowledge of the plays and checks before they happen made them outstanding.
     
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    Re: O'Connell.....game MVP


    This is spot on. O'Connell can't read a defense for sh!t but he had to have learned the checks and changes that would go on. Just because he couldn't make the plays doesn't mean he didn't know what to do.
     
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    Re: O'Connell: Game MVP


    Please O'Connell had everything to do with this win. Jets knew the termenology at the line and adjusted to the play calling. They knew what was happening as soon as Brady called th plays.
     
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