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  1. carolinatony

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    I don't know his contract situation but BB has always liked him.
    The Bengals went out with a wimper in the playoffs and may be making changes. I do not see them winning that division again next year.

    Your thoughts on him?
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    Better options out there without the shenanigans.
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    With all due respect to 85, when's the last time he had a season worthy of the antics he comes up with?
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    I don't mind his antics at all. With Chad it's mostly tongue and cheek. I feel he would loosen things up a bit in the locker room. Lawyer Milloy wasn't always a robot and had an outgoing personality combined with a hate to lose attitude.

    receivers:

    Randy - number 1 wideout
    Chad - number 2 wideout
    Wes/Julian - slot receiver

    It would be like 2007 when we had a true number 2 receiver to REALLY open things up (Stallworth).

    People say we had no number 3 receiver this year...but I say we had no true number 2. Wes Welker is amazing and possibly the best receiver on the team. The numbers have nothing to do with that. In my opinion the slot receiver is always the number 3.
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  6. SoCal Pmen

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    I don't think BB will find it amusing and in the end his opinion is all that really matters. We need football players not side show acts.
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    Call me crazy, but I think 72 catches over a thousand yards and 9 touchdowns constitutes a football player ;-)

    When the so called 'side show act' is a friend of BB's and he's someone other team members will listen to, who gives a sh$t if he pulls a Deionne Branch after he scores a TD.
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    not for nothing....BB LOVES ocho. Loves him. And it's not the blowing smoke up your but type stuff that he does most of the team. He really likes and respects ocho as a ftball player. It's wierd...but it's true.
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    I approve of this message. He has too much respect for BB to go against his wishes with the antics. He still has ability and can be a relatively cheap drastic upgrade to Aiken. What is his contract status?
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    NO Walter or Bryant

    please no more headaches!!..
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    i wouldnt mind it at all chad is a very good receiver who can make plays for us, he would also free up moss so teams couldnt triple him and lets not forget that there arent two darrelle revis' on the jets
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    If you think of how rough the fans and media have been on Moss and picking him apart for every little thing, it's only going to be worse if we brought in Ochocinco. Any criticism you see in the media about Moss (legit or not) is only magnified with Ocho.
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    good but overrated.
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    So it would be annoying here, but these guys really don't give a damn what the media and/or fans message board says. The locker room atmosphere is significantly different than what the media wants you to believe it is.

    Plus we'd probably be approaching 07 records with them both here :p
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    The big difference between Randy and Ochocinco is that the press LOVES Chad. He talks to them all the time and he is a quote machine.

    How does that magnify the 'so called' criticism of Moss? If anything it would be the exact opposite as it would take pressure off Randy (you don't really think he gives a sh$t what the media says anyway?).
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    I believe he wants to win and just has a little fun. He may help keep the team a bit loser.
    He certainly would be better than AD I'm sure in the locker room.
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    I'd give up a 4th or 5th this year for him (not sure if we even have a 4th). Nothing higher than that, we need the higher picks. Plus he'd have to be willing to sign a new cap friendly deal. Maybe, just maybe, a future 3rd. We're looking at 2 or 3 years max of production. But WR is clearly an area of desperation.
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    I thought he was under contract for another yr or two--FWIW.

    After tasting the playoffs again, I really don't see Marvin Lewis dismantling his offense too much. I think they'll try to improve in some areas and go from there, I can't see why they'd get rid of any chemistry between Palmer and 85, who is their biggest offensive weapon.

    (Even though we'll continue to talk about it every offseason;))
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    True enough. The Boston media would probably love for him to come too.

    I meant that every perceived issue with Moss (legit or not) is only worse with Ocho. Moss dogs it? Wait til you see Ocho. Moss is an overpriced decoy when we play good corners? Ditto Ocho, who was wiped out by Revis back to back weeks. Moss tunes out when he's not getting the ball? Ocho's way worse.

    Moss is more talented, produces more, and still gets killed by the fans and media. What will happen with Ocho, who isn't as good but thinks he's better?
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    Sam Aiken shouldn't even be considered a #4 WR, cuz he sux.
    Special Teamer is all IMO.
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    im going to have to disagree with you here, ocho constantly runs 100% you never hear about him taking plays off or anything like that and when his team is down by 14 hes running the same way if his team were up by 14
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    NO Wide Receiver runs 100% every single play. He talks to the media so they have no reason to put the microscope on him and highlight the plays where it may look like he's not giving 1000% effort.
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    I think you're basing your argument on the misconception that the Patriots make decisions based on how it will play in the media.

    The fact is, a shut down corner (Revis) can only cover one receiver at a time. With a true number 2 it's more than likely one of the 3 receivers will be open (ala 2007). Drives that were stalled when the Patriots had chances to put teams away (Colts, Broncos, Fins, Jets) now have more of a chance to stay alive. With the added threat of a true number 2 (and it doesnt have to be Ochos), those games probably would have been victories and the Patriots would be playing at home this weekend after their bye.
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    Make him change his last name back to Johnson. It's really hard to take anyone named Ochocinco seriously. But would I like to see him lined up opposite Moss?

    Yes. Yes, I would.

    I could be wrong, but I have to believe at this stage of his career, he knows he can't carry the Bengals, and that he should merc his way onto a contender. But I guess he's also loyal (he insisted he was retiring a Bengal in postgame interviews after the playoff loss), so who knows.
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    This is like a thread in tampa bay forum asking if Brady and Moss can be had for a 2nd rd picks.

    He is signed till 2012 and most of his 35 million is already paid so he is playing for bargain money for the Bengals so i have no clue why the bengals are going to trade him .I cannot think of 1 reason as palmer and the fans will go crazy .especially after winning coach of the year a sure way to get fired for lewis.
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    Ocho boldin marshall moss - any 2 would be great in combo w/ welker
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    He would be a good #2 across from Moss, but he's not that physical of a WR. He even said it himself before the Jets game that he gets taken out of his game when Revis jams him b/c he's more about speed, separation, and quickness.

    I'd rather have a guy like Boldin who may not be as fast but is a big target and is more physical. Then again, with Moss opposite Ocho, I would have to think that opens a lot of room for Ocho to operate and he's not afraid of going over the middle as we saw when he almost got killed by Ray Lewis earlier this year. He could probably be that other deep threat that people have wanted since Stallworth left that could keep the D honest.

    I'd take Ocho, but I prefer Boldin. I think Boldin is better at working the intermediate part of the field, and I think that's where we need the most help. I also like Boldin's drive and willingness to try to take people's heads off and fight for every yard. Brady would love him.
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    I don't have the All 22, so maybe I'm missing it, but from what I've seen, he definitely wasn't going 100% all the time, or even half the time. The scouting report on him is that he can lose his concentration, sometimes for an entire game. And if that's not enough, Chad Ochocinco himself admitted he slacked the entire 2008 off-season.

    "I'm not even going to lie to you, I'm going to say it. Last year, the offseason, I didn't lift one weight, I didn't run one route, I didn't exercise. I didn't do nothing because my focus was on getting out of a situation I didn't want to be in. I'm not going to lie," Ochocinco said.

    "And the result of my season, whether we as a team did bad or not, that's what I get. I get hurt in the preseason. I didn't lift no weights. If I had been on my right regiment, I guarantee you my collarbone, my shoulder wouldn't pop out of place. The ankle surgery, you know."


    Agreed, Ochocinco could help on the field, assuming he doesn't bring his baggage with him. And you're right, BB doesn't care what I, or anyone else on this forum or in the media thinks ;)

    Having said that much, I think we'd have to give up something substantial to get him, and I don't think he'd be worth the price or the potential headaches. There are other better options.
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    He is not available UNLESS we make a offer they cannot refuse like 2 1st rd are something. Are we ready to trade 2 1st for him
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    LOL--tried to point it out early in the thread, but to no avail.

    :D

    This topic has come up too many times, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
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