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mikey said:
http://www.boston.com/sports/footba.../03/19/earning_respect____and_his_due/?page=2

The following quote is from Richard Seymour about McGinnest's departure that appeared in today's Globe:

''I think they should have at least called him before they cut him. For 12 years, that's no respect there, but I understand. It's business. You see Drew [Bledsoe] go and Lawyer [Milloy] go and Ty [Law] and Damien Woody and Willie, that's a lot of top guys gone. Man. I see that and now I understand what somebody told me when I first got to the NFL. He said, 'When you leave pro football, all you got is M&Ms -- your memories and your money.' "

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it does not sound promising what Seymour is saying...
 
italianpatthepatriot said:
it does not sound promising what Seymour is saying...

If they pay him more than anyone else, he'll stay. If not, he'll go. I agree, by reading that article, its clear he is prepared to hit the road.
 
FreeTedWilliams said:
The Pats are not being cheap! Other teams are overpaying.

Perception! Percepton! Perception! If you're a player and you see one team not paying their players, they dont see Team Y overpaying, they see Team X being cheap. Bottom line is BB can't lowball everyone. There will come a point when he has to overpay for someone. Hopefully that person is Seymour.
 
Jacky Roberts said:
If they pay him more than anyone else, he'll stay. If not, he'll go. I agree, by reading that article, its clear he is prepared to hit the road.

it sounds like the money will really be the difference: stay or not...

the 'problem' is that i consider 2 players (Brady and Seymour) TWO MUST...
They ARE the REAL DIFFERENCE...

i hope we will be able to make an agreement with Richard

as i said many times he is a force; surely one of the top best DL in the Nfl.

also other players are very very important (i.e: Deion Branch, Tedy Bruschi, Eugene Wilson, Ben Watson, Dan Koppen, Vince Wilfork, etc) but Brady and Seymour are vital for us...

just my opinion of course
 
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mikey said:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/03/19/earning_respect____and_his_due/?page=2

The following quote is from Richard Seymour about McGinnest's departure that appeared in today's Globe:

''I think they should have at least called him before they cut him. For 12 years, that's no respect there, but I understand. It's business. You see Drew [Bledsoe] go and Lawyer [Milloy] go and Ty [Law] and Damien Woody and Willie, that's a lot of top guys gone. Man. I see that and now I understand what somebody told me when I first got to the NFL. He said, 'When you leave pro football, all you got is M&Ms -- your memories and your money.' "

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No offense here, but when my mother retired last year after 36 years in the same school system all she got was a party she had to share with another teacher who was also retiring. What do these guys want when they retire? A parade? Gads more money? What do the rest of us normal joes get when we switch companies? Usually an escort out the door! HA! The only people who are sentimental about players leaving is US and if the players were that concerned about that then they would understand that the extra 3-5 million dollars they are looking for is pretty ridiculous compared to the lousy 45K I make per year!
 
in every sport there is a ton of money...

look soccer in Europe, look golf, look tennis, look formula 1...

i am not surprised at all.

it is business.

and the stadiums are full...the tv contracts...you know...
 
I'm a Steelers fan. Didn't think what I said was very controverisal, just that dealing with players on an individual basis is not one of BB's strong points. From the follow-up posts including quotes from Seymour and the almighty Bruschi, not to mention quotes I could pull out from Milloy, Law and others, this is certainly not unsubstantiated. DOn't get me wrong, I don't think letting McGinnest go was necessarily a bad move. Givens was a nobrainer to let walk and AV I think has forgotten that he is still just a kicker. Sure he may be the best kicker in the game but that's like being the prettiest fat girl at the prom. You can't sustain success in this league by paying vets big bucks. You just have to keep reloading through the draft.
I do think some of these situations, namely McGinest and Milloy, could have been handled better. Players know this is a business but you do see that some of these handling have rubbed some the wrong way.
Butas long as the winning seasons continue, none of these feelings will matter. Look at all the coaches in all the team sports and you'll see many of them, and many of the most successful ones, are not particularly well-liked by their players. Larry Brown in basketball has always been a pain in the ass, Bob Knight, Parcells, etc. Sure they have guys that love playing for them because they are smart and know how to win but at the end of the day they ain't going out for a beer with them. Again, not that that matters to winning.
 
ClosingTime said:
I'm a Steelers fan. Didn't think what I said was very controverisal, just that dealing with players on an individual basis is not one of BB's strong points. From the follow-up posts including quotes from Seymour and the almighty Bruschi, not to mention quotes I could pull out from Milloy, Law and others, this is certainly not unsubstantiated. DOn't get me wrong, I don't think letting McGinnest go was necessarily a bad move. Givens was a nobrainer to let walk and AV I think has forgotten that he is still just a kicker. Sure he may be the best kicker in the game but that's like being the prettiest fat girl at the prom. You can't sustain success in this league by paying vets big bucks. You just have to keep reloading through the draft.
I do think some of these situations, namely McGinest and Milloy, could have been handled better. Players know this is a business but you do see that some of these handling have rubbed some the wrong way.
Butas long as the winning seasons continue, none of these feelings will matter. Look at all the coaches in all the team sports and you'll see many of them, and many of the most successful ones, are not particularly well-liked by their players. Larry Brown in basketball has always been a pain in the ass, Bob Knight, Parcells, etc. Sure they have guys that love playing for them because they are smart and know how to win but at the end of the day they ain't going out for a beer with them. Again, not that that matters to winning.

Patriot players hate thier coach????? That is surely not controversal.

You don't have any single crumb of proof, but you throw it out there. Based on a feeling, is it?

Whenever I read your post I get a feeling too. It's called gas.
 
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REad coments by Bruschi, Seymour and McGinest. There are others but I'm too busy to go digging them up. Take your head out of the sand.
 
ClosingTime said:
REad coments by Bruschi, Seymour and McGinest. There are others but I'm too busy to go digging them up. Take your head out of the sand.

I've read all of those comment and others. None suggest that they HATE BB.

I'll take my head out of teh sand if you pull yours out of your ass.

Congats, you lured me in to post on one of the most worthless threads ever posted here. Bye now.
 
Hate is a strong word, one that I never used.
 
ClosingTime said:
REad coments by Bruschi, Seymour and McGinest. There are others but I'm too busy to go digging them up. Take your head out of the sand.

You said "don't like". I hate it when people don't quote correctly, so I apologise for useing the word "hate". I just got bored reading your post and slipped.

Anyway, clearly no real eveidence to back that up.

And:
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BYE
 
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italianpatthepatriot said:
it does not sound promising what Seymour is saying...

Relax. That's from his agent Ron Borges.

Look what a good job he did with Givens.
 
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RayClay said:
Relax. That's from his agent Ron Borges.

Look what a good job he did with Givens.

i'm relaxed and i will be more relaxed if Seymour was saying something more optimistic...but let's see...

as i consider him a top player i really want him to be a Patriot
 
BB is as cold as ice when it comes to the business side of football. This gets shown in the cutting or popular players that still have tread on thier tires and the manner in which he/the FO do it. IIRC, probably 98% of posters here didn't think there was any way BB would have Ty Law back after he called BB a liar. Yet, Ty Law was on the Patriots roster in 2004. IMO, BB doesn't care if players like him or don't like him. I don't think he cares what they might say about him when it's a part of the business part of football, like Law's calling him a liar was. And really what difference does it make except to over sensitive fans, many of which still want to see players in subserviant roles?
 
I agree. Steve. It only becomes an issue when you ain't winning, which BB won't have to worry about probably until Brady retires.
 
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