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    I think so.



    Weis would be 2nd imo.
     
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    What are you smoking man???? The defense was a wicked good unit overall then..... nothing more, nothing less. Romeo luckily inherited a dominant Defense.
     
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    You might be right, but the defenses intensity and passion hasnt been the same since RAC took off. Im sure the defensive players who are gone are a part too but the loss of RAC has effected the defenses mindset and intensity imo.
     
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    McDaniels' neglect of the running game was damning. He was not nearly as good as he receives credit for.
     
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    New England was 12th in passing attempts and 6th in rushing attempts in 2006, and was 18th in YPA.
    New England was 5th in passing attempts and 9th in rushing attempts in 2007 and was 11th in YPA.
    New England was 12th in passing attempts and 6th in rushing attempts in 2008 and was 7th in YPA.

    That's only neglecting the running game if you're defining 'neglect' extremely loosely.
     
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    Many players during RACs time here said of how much of a mentor,coach and friend he was to the players on and off the field - Its more to the team than just being a good coach,you have to have the players like and respect you and they certainly did back then.
     
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    I think he is. The offensive playcalling has been extremely vanilla and predictable this season. That wasn't the case in 2006-2008. O'Brien will probably get his bearings under him eventually. But I have yet to see it this season.
     
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    Deus, you know the board rule - no using actual facts when people are bashing McDaniels.
     
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    I said before the season that at least at times this team would struggle with the loss of McDaniels. I think he would have called last night's game better and several other games too. That said, O'Brien is a rookie signal caller and McDaniels was far from perfect in 2005.
     
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    How many Super Bowls did we win with Josh as OC? Personally, I think the biggest loss by far was the loss of Charlie Weiss. The level of performance of the DC has gone downhill with each choice after Belichick was DC.

     
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    1. Crennel
    2. Weiss
    3. McDaniels
     
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    In my opinion:

    McDaniels has been the team's best OC. Crennel was the team's best DC. As for which is the biggest loss, I'd say that the jury is still out.
     
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    I think the answer to that is would a Crennel driven defense have given Eli a chance to go down that field in the SB and win?....something tells me he would have had an answer for it with some destructive packages that would have confused the Jints - Crennel 3-0 as DC in SBs
     
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    The problem with this assertion is that the DC did his job. It was Samuel leaving his man that cost the team. The Tyree catch never happens if Samuel doesn't decide to let Tyree roam free. Rodney's publicly, if gently and grudgingly, thrown Asante under the bus over that.
     
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    Bull.

    From 2006-2008 the offense ran shotgun the same 55% of the time, passed 5 out of 6 times from this formation, consistently. It didn't matter who was at QB, WR, or RB. Look at Welker's stats the past 2 seasons, pretty much carbon copies of each other.

    That is being extremely predictable.

    O'Brien has simply kicked it up a notch, but that doesn't mean the prior offense wasn't already very predictable with the same plays over and over and over and over.

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    Look at what Charlie Weiss had to work with from 2001-2004, at every offensive position he always did more with much less. His units always came through though.
     
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    I was talking about the plays being run, Mav. Not the formations. Perhaps you would be so caring as to explain to us how an "extremely predictable and vanilla offense" managed to set every single season offensive statistical record in the NFL under McDaniels. Oh, and you've already made it clear that you prefer to thank and blame the coaches and staff more in wins and losses, respectively, than the personnel. So please don't point to the personnel or we'll all know that you're talking out of both ends. Good luck with that, buddy.
     
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    The problem with Crennel is that his leaving coincided with Bruschi's stroke, so it will always be difficult to tell how much each had to do with the downturn that followed. There was a major downturn, though, so one would have to think that both had a lot to do with it.
     
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    WHO CARES ABOUT THE SEXY STATS??? You stat whores will come up with every excuse why those units kept failing in the clutch, when it's obviously due to predictability issues.

    Just as with the 01 Rams or 03-04 Colts, who cares how many points they put up, they got stopped because they stubbornly wouldn't adjust after getting exposed. Mike Martz didn't change even though Belichick figured out their offense was all slants and in-cuts to WR's, and backfield passes to Faulk. The explosive Colts got stopped once the Pats figured out their stretch play. The same thing has happened to EVERY single McDaniels' coached unit.

    That 07 offense exploded because no one saw Moss+Welker+Stallworth on the field before, with a Meyer-adapted offense from Belichick, on a motivated unit pissed off over the Video Witch Hunt. After 10 games their offensive production dramatically went down as teams figured them out.

    If McDaniels coached the offense from 01-04 we would have ZERO rings.
     
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    It's close between Weis and McD.

    I give the nod to Weis for that gameplan he put together for SB38. Panthers pass rush was nonexistant and it just looked easy for Brady once they got into rhythm. The OL deserves alot of credit too but the scheme had alot to do with it as well. It's the best our offense has ever looked in the playoffs and this was without Dillon, Moss, Welker, etc.
     
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