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  1. JR4

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    I am really disturbed that the wonder boy WR hasn't got a nub NFL contact
    without ending up being absent.
    I was sure impressed with his ability to catch in those advertising flicks.
    But is this another Bethel in progress? Great Potential unrealized?
    Very disturbing ... the kid is now a week and 12 some odd practices behind.
    So is this an Omen of things to come with Chad Jackson?
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    Where's that "relax and chill" emoticon when you need it ?
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    The thought hasn't crossed your mind??? :confused:
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    No. A WR out for a week with a hamsting does not make his puss or a wimp. Or soft.
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    We're the Patriots.
    We've got TEs and RBs who catch the ball.
    We don't need no stinkin wide receivers!
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    And you are saying all this in the first week of August because?
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    Of course not. We have Bam Childress and John Stone to

    take his place. In fact, we don't even need Deon.
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    Right on! I'm with you. Those WR's are just a pain in the @&%. Always getting hurt. Always wanting MO' MONeY (as in SHOW ME.....). Always wanting the ball (thrown) to them. Media interview sessions on their front lawn. SHEEES.

    We have 4 TE's. Why don't we just have 4 TE sets instead. That would FREAK OUT the opposing defense!:rolleyes:
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    Because? .... because he is 12 practices behind ..... because he was suppose to
    be the great WR addition ..... because he hasn't shown anything when the
    pads are on .... because I'm diappointed that PATs WR core won't
    be what it could have been if he was able to stay healthy ....... because
    Belichick even says without a good TC those guys are struggling to catch up
    ..... because I just hope this is not another guy who is great if you can
    keep him on the field ......
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    4 tight ends where are they?
    two of them have yet to take the field
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    I see your going to panic after 2 practices, POST THE PANIC BUTTON FOR THIS GUY! He was injured, hes fine now, breath slowly.
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    True enough, BF.

    I recall a certain hardassed former coach responding to a reporter's question about another rookie WR's training camp hammy injury with, "she's doing fine". "She" went on to have 90 catches for over 1100 yards, an NFL record for rookies.

    Despite said coach's characterization, said rookie WR had an excellent rookie campaign, (future head-case issues notwithstanding).
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    It was said he was out for precautions not his personal decision...his agent and obviously the coaching staff agreed to put him on PUP for a few days.
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    I was going home tonight and have a nice meal, then take the dogs for a nice long walk,and then relax for the rest of the evening.

    But now, I'm now going home and pull the blankets over my head because-

    We're Doomed!!!!!!!:scared:
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    I was being sarcastic as shown by the :rolleyes: (roll eyes). You will find I am very sarcastic on this forum. Especially as one cannot do completely without WR's. But I though his quote 'we don't need no STINKIN receivers' was quite funny so I had to reply to that.

    Still there is an element of truth about what I said as the Pats could realistically have 4 TE's on the 53 man roster this year (Graham, Watson, Thomas and G. Mills for those of you scoring at home). I know Mills -if he makes the 53 man roster- would be as a FB. But if our WR core this year isn't up to the task - I am sure BB and McDaniels will think of some interesting ways to distribute the ball more to the RB's, TE's and FB's. They could do some very interesting things in formations with the TE's and using Mills a 'la Chris 'Cooties' for the Redskins. Just have to keep them all healthy this year. (Yah I'm looking at YOU, D. Graham).
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    over reacting a bit? Jackson won't make or break the PATs but that was
    not the concern if you re-read my intial post.

    It's Jackson ... I know it's early to say how he will
    turn out. maybe he will never get injured again ..... great. But to me this
    is not how I would like to see a star WR start his career. Perhaps you are
    ok with it but for me .... it leaves me a bit concerned.
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    To be concerned about 12 missed practices to start a career is just silly to me. Be concerned on that front if he comes out in an actual GAME and blows an ACL or something. Then the 'injury concern' is legit.

    But as far as worrying that he's another BETHEL?? Just silly. I understand that your concern is more that Bethel was oft-injured, but really, it's a tweaked hamstring, not a series of invasive surgeries.

    And besides, the reason Bethel didn't work out was his attitude, mental aptitude, and work ethic, not because of his injuries.

    Let Chad play a game, at least a preseason one(!), before you worry so much about his career path. He's not Bethel, and one hammy tweak shouldn't be enough to make anyone worry about him being an injury prone player.
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    If it makes you feel better, pretend that he's holding out. But really, 12 practices. One week into TC and still a week away from first preseason game. He will be just fine.

    Must be the heat :D
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    It's a shame, that's it. He'll catch up. Training Camp is a lot more than the on field stuff anyway, he's still getting all the meetings and film study. Branch, Caldwell, Brown, Jackson will be 1-4 heading into the season.
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    Guess I'm not only one concerned about Jackson's absence. Casale makes
    some good points that most here already know.

    Casale reports:
    Who’s Hot ....
    "Who’s Not: Chad Jackson – Rookie receivers in general don’t have a lot of success during their first season in the NFL. That success rate drops even further when a player misses a majority of training camp. We are a week into camp and Jackson has hardly been on the field. He’s participated in two practices so far and that’s not good news for the Patriots. With their receiver position in the shape it’s in, the Patriots need Jackson to come in and make an impact right away. If he’s not on the field building chemistry with Brady in August, it’s hard to imagine that he’s going to make a big splash this fall.

    also his report on today's passing game is very disturbing ... but if you
    worried ... go read NEM's this best PATs team ever thread .. should make
    you feel better ...


    Tom Brady’s passes were off the mark most of the day.

    When the ball was put on the money, it usually ended up on the ground more often than not. Reche Caldwell, Ben Watson, Bam Childress and Maroney all dropped catchable balls thrown their way. For the most part, all four quarterbacks had a miserable day throwing the football. Very rarely did one of them, including Brady, hit a receiver in stride. After the first week of camp, the Patriots air attack has yet to take off. Overall, a very sloppy practice all around for the offense.


    After 13 practices I would think they should be improving not regressing.
    .... when does reality set in .... this team is off the mark as of now and if
    they don't get it turned around soon they may lose one or more of those early division
    games.

    http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=20322&pcid=44
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    The large majority of rookie WRs don't contribute significantly. There are exceptions but that is the rule. Missing part of training camp decreases those odds even further. With Branch sitting out it thewre should be warranted concern about the passing game which always takes a while to gel. And I'm sorry but Caldwell is a dog with fleas. Maybe that's too harsh. He's a decent 3rd WR at best.
    Jackson's rep coming into the draft is that he didn't like contact. Then again S. Holmes rep coming into the draft was that he was a high character guy so who knows.
    A month more before kickoff.
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    Over 5 weeks until the first game. Coming off a tough camp with more hitting and two a days than usual. This means just slightly more than nothing to me.
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    JR4 - step back. Take a deep breath. Exhale.

    Many here have to learn that it is WAY too early to read into small, insignificant things, or jump to any conclusions based on the small sample size (even smaller for Jackson) we have so far. Realize that you WILL get ridiculed.

    And I don't buy Casale in either his notes or CampCast on Jackson.

    He acts like Jackson has purposely sat out practice or doesn't have a good work ethic to get back in camp. Like Seymour and company on the PUP (Jackson to start off camp), the safe route always needs to be taken. I can't say preseason practices and games are meaningless, as they obviously offer great developmental time, but rushing a player back into camp isn't worth the risk. Casale almost wanted Jackson rushed back into camp, head-first, and that anything else means his development is stunted immediately. That simply isn't the case. The Pats are going to practice a player when they feel fully confident that the risk for re-injury has subsided. Even then, they'll ease the player back into the flow of camp. His unspectacular performance is in direct correlation with that. In the long run, the few practices that he missed or struggled in won't matter, but the fact that he'll be healthy will.

    End of story.
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    I knew it wasn't. Thanks for confirming my doubt pats1
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    You seem to be attributing thoughts to Casale that you can not get from
    that article. He stated what he observed and the facts about rookies
    missing a lot of training camp. Simple ... straight forward observations and
    facts.
    You apparently have not listen to many Belichick conferences where he talks
    about players missing Training Camp and the effect going into the season.
    Contact which they get in TC is very important. How can you trivialize that?

    This is my opinion and this is a forum to express opinions ... you don't agree
    ... fine but you really come off insinuating I should not express my opinion.
    I hope that is not what you intended.

    I am concerned about the passing game. Sure when Branch get's back and
    if Jackson heals ... they will eventually get it together. But when?
    By 3rd week into the season or longer? Pats have several early critical
    Division games. PATs don't have a half a season to get things right.
    Missing 13 practices is NOT trivial.
    If Branch gets back and Jackson start having good practices in next week or
    two then things will probably work out
    .... but right now there is a possibility that may not happen.

    I have had pre-season expectations shattered enough times
    to realize potential is not reality.

    if you have no concerns ...be happy ... count your blessings but you
    saying there is nothing to be concerned about does nothing for me.
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    No wonder the Pats draft TE. Oh yeah they get injured too. No really, don't freak out just yet. The team just drafted him and the coaches don't want to rush him into action when he isn't fully ready. He will not be another Bethel, trust me.

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