Is it worth it to stick with Galloway?

[mgteich]

I do not presume that a player with zero experience in the NFL and no preseason is the 2009 replacement for Galloway.

We HOPE that he will be the 2010 heir to Galloway.

In any case, we also HOPE that he will be good enough to activate as a retruner in 2009.

Hard to tell what his 40 time would be with an ACL injury, but given that he was a prolific return specialist and considered a threat to go all the way every time he touched the ball, I would expect something better than 4.5 speed. But we'll find out eventually.

Assuming Tate picks up the playbook, learns the system, adapts, works hard, and heals from his injury (i.e., assuming he's not another Chad Jackson), he sounds like a perfect #2 WR next to Moss as the #1 and Welker in the slot. I assume he is the eventual heir to Galloway until proven otherwise.

 

[Patspsycho]

The question here is.. knowing well that he only has an one year contract and is unlikely to return next year, how much time do you give him to fit in to the extent that Brady is happy?

I understand that his stats do prove that he supports the offense to some degree, but I wonder if it is far more effective to be doing what Brady wants (and be more productive).

 

[mayoclinic]

I do not presume that a player with zero experience in the NFL and no preseason is the 2009 replacement for Galloway.

We HOPE that he will be the 2010 heir to Galloway.

In any case, we also HOPE that he will be good enough to activate as a retruner in 2009.

To clarify, I was only referring to Tate as the presumptive heir to Galloway in 2010. Anything we get from him in 2009 is a bonus, whether as a returner or as a WR. I don't think I ever made a reference to expecting anything from Tate in 2009 - if I did, my mistake.

Galloway is 37 and on a 1 year deal, so while it's possible that he may be back next year, I'm not expecting it at this point. So I don't think it's unreasonable to discuss who might replace him in 2010, with Tate being the most likely possibility at this time.

The "best" case scenario that I see for Tate is that he comes back from PUP, gets some time as a returner, gets some practice time as a WR, just possibly gets a little playing time as a WR, gets familiar with the system, and then goes into next year's training camp with a big leg up. I'm not expecting that much, by any means.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Hard to tell what his 40 time would be with an ACL injury, but given that he was a prolific return specialist and considered a threat to go all the way every time he touched the ball, I would expect something better than 4.5 speed. But we'll find out eventually.

Assuming Tate picks up the playbook, learns the system, adapts, works hard, and heals from his injury (i.e., assuming he's not another Chad Jackson), he sounds like a perfect #2 WR next to Moss as the #1 and Welker in the slot. I assume he is the eventual heir to Galloway until proven otherwise.

Welker was a prolific return-man for Miami, he's not a 4.4 guy by any means, probably closer to 4.6.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The question here is.. knowing well that he only has an one year contract and is unlikely to return next year, how much time do you give him to fit in to the extent that Brady is happy?

I understand that his stats do prove that he supports the offense to some degree, but I wonder if it is far more effective to be doing what Brady wants (and be more productive).

He's working on his mind reading, it'll come sooner rather than later. Nunn is a possession guy who is still learning routes and reads and how to use his body to screen defenders away from the ball - hopefully he's watching old D-Giv tape.

 

[mayoclinic]

Welker was a prolific return-man for Miami, he's not a 4.4 guy by any means, probably closer to 4.6.

Welker was a prolific return man for the same reason he's a terrific slot receiver - because of his fast-twitch acceleration and elusiveness. But he was never a "threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball" the way Tate has been repeatedly described.

I don't know what Tate's timed speed is, and I assume it is not as fast as Galloway's, who is one of the fastest players around. I would expect something in the Jeremy Maclin/Devin Hester 4.4 range, with good acceleration and elusiveness.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Welker was a prolific return man for the same reason he's a terrific slot receiver - because of his fast-twitch acceleration and elusiveness. But he was never a "threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball" the way Tate has been repeatedly described.

I don't know what Tate's timed speed is, and I assume it is not as fast as Galloway's, who is one of the fastest players around. I would expect something in the Jeremy Maclin/Devin Hester 4.4 range, with good acceleration and elusiveness.

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ATHLETIC REPORT: GRADE: 6.43
Release: With his long, lean build, Tate shows good quickness, strength and hand usage to get off the snap and into his patterns. He might lack blazing speed, but compensates with good hip snap, balance and foot work in his route (still needs to execute crisper breaks, though). He has a smooth and fluid release off the line of scrimmage and is able to beat press coverage. He has the power to push through the jam with no hold-ups. He also shows the ability to be elusive at the line and consistently escapes to get into his routes. GRADE: 6.4

Acceleration: Tate has displayed very good vertical acceleration on deep routes. He has enough body control to get open and adjust quickly to the short throws and uncover. He does not have great timed speed, but does show the extra gear needed to get to the ball and run away from the slower defenders. He gets a good push working upfield, and while he does rely more on his athletic ability he is working on running more precise routes. The thing you see on film is his ability to torque his body to get under the pass and adjust to secure over his outside shoulder. GRADE: 6.3

Quickness: Tate has displayed adequate speed, good quickness and balance off the ball and good movement after the start with sudden moves. He gains advantage by building his acceleration to get behind the defender, but would be more explosive out of his cuts if he did a better job of sinking his weight to come out of breaks with better angle. He is not going to shock an opponent and simply fly past his man at the line of scrimmage, but will fool the opponent with his developing head and shoulder fakes (has good body mechanics). GRADE: 6.0

Agility Tests

Campus: 4.52 in the 40-yard dash...1.6 10-yard dash...2.65 20-yard dash...4.12 20-yard shuttle...7.25 three-cone drill...36-inch vertical jump...9'4" broad jump.

Combine: Did not participate in workouts due to recovery from right ACL surgery.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

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Dates: 03/12
Height: 5086
Weight: 195
40 Yrd Dash: 4.65
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 30
Broad Jump: 9'5"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.01
3-Cone Drill: 7.09

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If Nunn was excelling in practice, I think BB would activate him.

Until someone else proves they can step in, I think we are stuck with Galloway.

 

[Deus Irae]

Galloway had 5 catches even though Brady was off, Galloway struggled catching the ball, and the timing between the two is clearly not there. Also, Galloway had beaten his man on another play, but Brady missed the throw.

I don't know why anyone would think cancelling the 'experiment' at this point would be the way to go.

 

[102 Pat]

With Welker and now Moss as questionable, we might be seeing a whole lot of Galloway on sunday.

 

[bagwell368]

Galloway had 5 catches even though Brady was off, Galloway struggled catching the ball, and the timing between the two is clearly not there. Also, Galloway had beaten his man on another play, but Brady missed the throw.

I don't know why anyone would think cancelling the 'experiment' at this point would be the way to go.

I think a few times, Galloway read the play wrong and ended up in the wrong place. If Galloway had the gifts of Donald Hayes, he might already be gone. If both Moss and Welker are out, then expect two TE's, and maybe two RB's (an OL as the FB) to play smash mouth.

 

[italian pat patriot]

surely till now i'm not so impressed but it is only september after 2 regular season games

let's wait a little bit more

he could be a factor sunday due to the conditions of both Moss and Welker (both are 'questionable')

 

[cstjohn17]

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Box, what is up with this site? It was my bread and butter. The CBS version is pretty lame. Is the full site still available for die hards? Thank you for your help.

 

[jbb9s]

[Galloway]s reportedly still one of the fastest guys in the NFL.

Yea - fast guys always to greeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaat in this system. I hear CJack and Bethel are available. They both run sub 4.4s too.

 

[PatzFANATIC]

Galloway = Doug Gabriel.......Dont be fooled by his "supposed" speed, and bad hands. He couldn't catch swine flu in a mexican whorehouse, cut him and bring up Nunn

 

[klinefan]

Another huge blunder by BB. First signing him, then keeping him. Both mistakes.

He isn't that good, that's why he was turned loose in the first place. Fast only gets you so far in this league apparently. Hands? Knowing where to be?

 

[livinginthe past]

Another huge blunder by BB. First signing him, then keeping him. Both mistakes.

He isn't that good, that's why he was turned loose in the first place. Fast only gets you so far in this league apparently. Hands? Knowing where to be?

Douche bag troll.

I'm guessing you are some 14 year old (I hope) Jets fan who's amuses himself by pretending to be a Patriots fan?

Get lost, troll.

 

[jmt57]

Another huge blunder by BB. First signing him, then keeping him. Both mistakes.

Maybe, maybe not. But if you're going to cut someone based on the Jets game, there may not be enough players left to field a team this week. I also recall Welker dropping passes against the Bills the week before; should the Pats cut him too?

He isn't that good, that's why he was turned loose in the first place.

So now the only reason any player is ever cut or not re-signed in the NFL is because 'he isn't that good'? How long have you been following the Pats and the NFL? Two weeks or since 2007?

Fast only gets you so far in this league apparently. Hands? Knowing where to be?

Bad hands and not knowing where to be surely explains 212 receptions for 3358 yards and 23 touchdowns the last three years Galloway started.

 

[bostonia3333]

Galloway has been a huge disappointment this year--remember we thought this guy was supposed to outdo Stallworth and Gaffney? Pats fans are becoming too midwestern-like with their patience for players. I think TWO full regular season games, a full preseason, an ultra rigorous training camp, dozens of practice sessions, and numerous film room discussion meetings has been more than AMPLE time for Galloway to get on the same page with Brady. Gotta have the guts to cut, it's time I think--I'm sure week 3 will be make or break for Galloway.

I agree with the previous responses that Nunn should get some playing time. He looked really good in preseason(for what it's worth who knows). What impressed me about Nunn was not his speed, but the way he makes physical adjustments towards ball thrown his way--catching the ball at its peak, or making subtle body maneuvers to snag a ball slightly underthrown in the middle of the field. He did his best to make Hoyer look better than he really was. This is a great quality for a receiver, and every qb loves this. I hope BB gives Nunn a chance, it's the best option I think right now for the no. 3 slot