Is it time to call Brandon Lloyd yet ?

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  1. BB4PRez

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    Aaron Dobson and Josh Boyce are nursing injuries that are keeping them off the field this week. I understand Lloyd comes with some baggage and seems to fall down quickly after making many catches. But, Lloyd showed last year that he usually knows where to go, something many widouts have never picked up in this offense. Also, while he did not get the seperation I hoped to see on one on one coverage, he caught most of the balls thrown his way.

    If the two drafted reciever rookies were on the field I can understand getting them snaps now to find out if they have what it takes. However, with neither Dobson or Boyce taking snaps this week the chances of them picking up the offense fully for this season goes down. At what time do you pull the trigger and take Lloyd back even though you know he is not the long term answer? Lloyd has been on the street for awhile and I have to think that they could get him back for much less now than he was going to be paid before he was cut.

    I am not sure what the answer is, but if I am the Pats I am thinking about it.
  2. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Easy answer is no.
  3. Bruins29

    Bruins29 In the Starting Line-Up

    Well, its just one more little itty bitty day and then everyone is off until July 18 (rookies). Maybe some of them will heal up by then?

    Full camp isnt until July 25. If we have the walking wounded WR corp I am sure BB will so what he has to do and that includes "thinking" about BL.
  4. randomk1

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    I say we keep the youth movement going. Might be some growing pains at first but it's a long season and we have Brady to "motivate" these guys.
  5. Gumby

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    12-step recovering BL fan here, as Tebow is my witness: with BB NEVER say Never, but I do say--- NO!
  6. PatsWickedPissah

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    Just no
    I was for signing Lloyd last year and didn't trash him during the 2012 season but on retrospect, the team needs someone with more upside and less baggage
  7. BB4PRez

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    I agree with you on the upside comment and I am hoping for more out of the position. As much as the money I think the capped ceiling is the reason Lloyd was let go. I don't think the head coach is happy that there seems to be more recievers rehabbing on the sideline than playing this week. I would be surprised if we don't see some turneover if only to light a few fires. I like Lloyd better than Gaffney, Collie or any of the other guys I am aware of who are out there. If they could get him on a good contract say two years with nothing guarenteed ;) I am much more open then you.
  8. Elijah

    Elijah Supporter Supporter

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    Apparently the new #85 is tearing it up anyway.
  9. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Lloyd grabbed the phone and immediately fell to the ground
  10. chasa

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    the night is always darkest before the dawn.

    Let the kids adapt for more then a month before we start calling in old players
  11. FirstAndGoal

    FirstAndGoal 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    I hear TO is available:bricks:
  12. BB4PRez

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    I have no problem with adapting and growing pains - but the kids need to know "you can't make the club from the tub..." I don't think that message can come to early.

    For those compairing Lloyd to TO (and I expect in the future Moss). Lloyd played in all 16 games last year and had 74 receptions for 911 yards. In other words there is no comparison between those players and Lloyd. I am not saying Lloyd doesn't have faults, but he was a productive player last season. Again if the price is right (and with Condon as the agent there is a good chance the price is not right) he seems better than the other available options.
  13. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Yes, they should call him. Lloyd is a vet who also knows the system, who accounted for over 900 yds and dozens of first downs last season, there is almost 0 chance the rookies would be more productive then him.

    The guy is apparently a bit of a flake but they were able to get through the season with him, they'd likely be better with him than without.
  14. Ive_Killed_People

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    Here we go.........

    Future thread prediction:

    With Gronk,AHern,Amendola,Boyce, and Dobson likely starting the season on PUP what does our Depth chart look like?

    Buncha hand wringing chicken littles
  15. Pats0204

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    Absolutely not.
  16. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    What other receivers available are realistically going to be more productive then Lloyd?
  17. tonyto3690

    tonyto3690 Banned

    That was an impressive mix of cliche, overused quote, and completely over the top dramatics.

    No, Lloyd is not going to come back unless Amendola goes down for the season.
  18. serifyn

    serifyn Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    That ship has sailed.
  19. NEPettyOfficer72

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    This is stupid and it seems like once again, people just don't get it. Yes, the man got 900 yards last year, so what? He didn't come in and provide for us like what we thought he would and should have. Numbers in production to does equal clutch and winning games. Thank you David Givens for those tough catches without the great numbers! We didn't ask Brandon Lloyd to come in and be Randy Moss, but we did ask him to come in and be a presence that would at least threaten the other side of the field opposite of Wes Welker and down deep and he didn't do so. He never gave any effort after the catch UNLESS it was open field in front of him, made more effort on easier passes to catch then he had to and never gave teams a reason to respect us deep. So opposing defenses clogged the middle of the field and beat us because of it. And he never really looked like he completely picked the system up. People want to criticize Bill for the FA and draft? How many rings has he won? How many super-bowl appearances has he been to? What was his record when Tom went down in 2008? How many Conference Championship games have he won and appeared in? How many star receivers helped us win those Championships? (Moss and Welker were stars but we didn't win it all). Remember, when we brought in David Patten from Cleveland back in 2000 I believe, not having the same attributes, accolades and bragging rights that Brandon Lloyd had coming in, but has done more and worked better with Tom and our system then Lloyd certainly has. So how would we know what Donald Jones or Michael Jenkins could bring? Or what about Bill drafting David Givens and Deion Branch in 2002 and him being criticized for not drafting Ashlie Lelie and Donte Stallworth and Javon Walker.. popular picks that year, but then David and Deion contribute immediately, helping the team win two super-bowls the following year and year after that. They were a perfect fit for the offensive system, philosophy and Tom. So why bring back Brandon Lloyd? And what is the deal with not giving these kids a chance?

    - Aaron Dobson - 6'3, over 200lbs can run crisp routes, good technique, has very good speed for his size, great reach, work ethic, athletic ability, and hands of gold. Not only that but he played in a complex college offensive system and is a smart player that can pick up the offensive system in NE. And he is from Marshall! lol hasn't failed us yet .. Moss, Troy Brown. He gives us more and offers more then Lloyd and I believe the kids wants it more, wants to play in the NFL at a high level. Those are the dangerous ones, the young, talented and hungry.

    - Josh Boyce - Has nice size, speed, quickness, elusiveness, tough to bring down also good with the routes, solid hands and played in a complex collegiate offense as well. He is also versatile, running short, intermediate routes or deep. We can line him up any where on the field. When is the last time we've had that?

    And you still have slot ace Danny Amendola who is just such a great football player all around when he is healthy. He made Sam Bradford look soo good at times last season which is why teams were bidding for him once he became a FA. And did I forget we still have Aaron Hernandez? Another elite receiving talent whether it be WR or TE...

    So instead of opposing defenses lining up to stop Wes in the slot, and shut down Hernandez because Brandon Lloyd was none existent and didn't provide much of a threat, they now have to worry about a younger faster and more explosive Danny Amendola who can not only line up in slot but beat them deep, Aaron Dobson who's a young, big athletic kid who can run down field and use his size to also dig underneath and intermediate routes and jack of trades Josh Boyce who they don't know what he is going to do because he can do it all. We are younger, faster, stronger, more athletic at the position now and deeper then last year with a wider variety of flavors and threats.. more for defenses to defend. And we have coach Brian Daboll back to add additional tutoring from McDaniels, Brady, and Bellicheck.
  20. supafly

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    I have no problem is Belichick chooses to bring in Llyod at some point for insurance/depth, but I don't think they'd be able to agree on his value myself.

    I'd see Llyod as nothing better than a good option for WR3 at best, so that's where it gets tricky. Keep in mind our WR3 last season had a total of 21 catches. Unless Llyod is willing to take something around 1 million dollars (and I doubt he is at this point), I don't know if we have as much of a need for him as some here think.

    After all, Llyod was really nothing more than an upgrade to the possession receiver role filled by Deion Branch in 2011 when he had 50 receptions. The major difference was that Llyod caught another 20 or so balls last year because he had 130 overall targets.

    Would I be happy to see Llyod signed as a depth guy in a more limited role? Sure. I'd love to see him as a replacement for what Branch has been the past couple of yrs. My guess is that he's looking for something more however.
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